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Date: 05 Feb 2005 22:00:06
From: clark
Subject: paying to sub
anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
there prize fund






 
Date: 07 Feb 2005 02:01:53
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: paying to sub
>From: "clark" ccorey@starnetdial.net

>anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
>someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
>there prize fund

Almost every league I have ever been in does that.

The missing person pays the lineage and does not bowl. The sub pays into the
prize fund and does not collect.

If there is no sub available the absent bowler pays everything so it is
extremely fair to everyone except in leagues where the amount going to lineage
is smaller than the amount going into prize fund which are few and far between.










  
Date: 07 Feb 2005 03:55:51
From: eastwood
Subject: Re: paying to sub
How is it fair that a sub pays into the prize fund but does not collect.
From my point of view if someone is hanging around hoping to sub then maybe
that person should pay something. But if you get asked ahead of time why
should that person pay.

I very rarely sub, mainly because I bowl three nights but if I am asked, I'm
sorry, but I don't why I should pay to help someone out.

I will go one further. If I have sent in my fee for all events for a
tournament and for some reason I cannot make it, I find a sub and he bowls
for free. That is just an unwritten policy for my team. If the team cash's
then I get my share of that but the sub keeps anything from doubles and
singles.


"NimBill" <nimbill@aol.comtisme > wrote in message
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> >From: "clark" ccorey@starnetdial.net
>
>>anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
>>someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
>>there prize fund
>
> Almost every league I have ever been in does that.
>
> The missing person pays the lineage and does not bowl. The sub pays into
> the
> prize fund and does not collect.
>
> If there is no sub available the absent bowler pays everything so it is
> extremely fair to everyone except in leagues where the amount going to
> lineage
> is smaller than the amount going into prize fund which are few and far
> between.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




   
Date: 07 Feb 2005 10:48:35
From: Jeffrey
Subject: Re: paying to sub
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I never heard of charging a sub to sub. In this area - the sub bowls for
free - the regular bowler pays. Why wound I pay to sub in league and get
nothing back - and open play is cheaper.

eastwood wrote:

>How is it fair that a sub pays into the prize fund but does not collect.
>From my point of view if someone is hanging around hoping to sub then maybe
>that person should pay something. But if you get asked ahead of time why
>should that person pay.
>
>I very rarely sub, mainly because I bowl three nights but if I am asked, I'm
>sorry, but I don't why I should pay to help someone out.
>
>I will go one further. If I have sent in my fee for all events for a
>tournament and for some reason I cannot make it, I find a sub and he bowls
>for free. That is just an unwritten policy for my team. If the team cash's
>then I get my share of that but the sub keeps anything from doubles and
>singles.
>
>
>"NimBill" <nimbill@aol.comtisme> wrote in message
>news:20050206210153.17983.00000483@mb-m22.aol.com...
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>>>From: "clark" ccorey@starnetdial.net
>>>
>>>
>>>anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
>>>someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
>>>there prize fund
>>>
>>>
>>Almost every league I have ever been in does that.
>>
>>The missing person pays the lineage and does not bowl. The sub pays into
>>the
>>prize fund and does not collect.
>>
>>If there is no sub available the absent bowler pays everything so it is
>>extremely fair to everyone except in leagues where the amount going to
>>lineage
>>is smaller than the amount going into prize fund which are few and far
>>between.
>>
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I never heard of charging a sub to sub. In this area - the sub bowls
for free - the regular bowler pays. Why wound I pay to sub in league
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<pre wrap="" >How is it fair that a sub pays into the prize fund but does not collect.
From my point of view if someone is hanging around hoping to sub then maybe
that person should pay something. But if you get asked ahead of time why
should that person pay.

I very rarely sub, mainly because I bowl three nights but if I am asked, I'm
sorry, but I don't why I should pay to help someone out.

I will go one further. If I have sent in my fee for all events for a
tournament and for some reason I cannot make it, I find a sub and he bowls
for free. That is just an unwritten policy for my team. If the team cash's
then I get my share of that but the sub keeps anything from doubles and
singles.


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<pre wrap="" >Almost every league I have ever been in does that.

The missing person pays the lineage and does not bowl. The sub pays into
the
prize fund and does not collect.

If there is no sub available the absent bowler pays everything so it is
extremely fair to everyone except in leagues where the amount going to
lineage
is smaller than the amount going into prize fund which are few and far
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Date: 07 Feb 2005 16:05:27
From: Tony R Smith
Subject: Re: paying to sub
Jeffrey,

There are people here that frequent this group (and newsgroups in
general) from all over the world. Some have slow connections and/or
actually "pay" by the MB for there service. For this reason, HTML
posting is considered bad netiquette. Please be considerate to others
and post in "plain text" only. To give you an example, buy posting in
HTML, your post was more than 3 times the size of the post you replied to.

Thanks

Jeffrey wrote:
> I never heard of charging a sub to sub. In this area - the sub bowls for
> free - the regular bowler pays. Why wound I pay to sub in league and get
> nothing back - and open play is cheaper.
>
> eastwood wrote:
>
>>How is it fair that a sub pays into the prize fund but does not collect.
>>From my point of view if someone is hanging around hoping to sub then maybe
>>that person should pay something. But if you get asked ahead of time why
>>should that person pay.
>>
>>I very rarely sub, mainly because I bowl three nights but if I am asked, I'm
>>sorry, but I don't why I should pay to help someone out.
>>
>>I will go one further. If I have sent in my fee for all events for a
>>tournament and for some reason I cannot make it, I find a sub and he bowls
>>for free. That is just an unwritten policy for my team. If the team cash's
>>then I get my share of that but the sub keeps anything from doubles and
>>singles.
>>
>>
>>"NimBill" <nimbill@aol.comtisme> wrote in message
>>news:20050206210153.17983.00000483@mb-m22.aol.com...
>>
>>
>>>>From: "clark" ccorey@starnetdial.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
>>>>someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
>>>>there prize fund
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Almost every league I have ever been in does that.
>>>
>>>The missing person pays the lineage and does not bowl. The sub pays into
>>>the
>>>prize fund and does not collect.
>>>
>>>If there is no sub available the absent bowler pays everything so it is
>>>extremely fair to everyone except in leagues where the amount going to
>>>lineage
>>>is smaller than the amount going into prize fund which are few and far
>>>between.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


 
Date: 06 Feb 2005 19:07:46
From:
Subject: Re: paying to sub

"clark" <ccorey@starnetdial.net > wrote in message
news:1107669623.d58369b737d1b8e547306c8433365f5c@teranews...
> anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
> someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
> there prize fund

I've never bowled in a league where the sub was required to pay. Not a bad
concept though, since it would probably thin out the group of regulars who
show up long enough to grab a beer and watch the first 5 frames before
disappearing.....: >




 
Date: 06 Feb 2005 09:26:29
From: Justin Pass
Subject: Re: paying to sub
In my Monday Night Businessmen League, we have no sub fee, but the bowler
who the sub is bowling for has to pay for the bowling. The Sub never pays.





"clark" <ccorey@starnetdial.net > wrote in message
news:1107669623.d58369b737d1b8e547306c8433365f5c@teranews...
> anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
> someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
> there prize fund
>
>





  
Date: 06 Feb 2005 14:35:19
From: eastwood
Subject: Re: paying to sub
I have never paid to sub. The person who didn't make it is still responsible
for his weekly fee. There has never been any problems with this.


"Justin Pass" <passbk@alltel.net > wrote in message
news:nOpNd.2233$Pn5.350@fe10.usenetserver.com...
> In my Monday Night Businessmen League, we have no sub fee, but the
> bowler who the sub is bowling for has to pay for the bowling. The Sub
> never pays.
>
>
>
>
>
> "clark" <ccorey@starnetdial.net> wrote in message
> news:1107669623.d58369b737d1b8e547306c8433365f5c@teranews...
>> anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
>> someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go
>> towards
>> there prize fund
>>
>>
>
>
>




   
Date: 07 Feb 2005 02:05:38
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: paying to sub
>From: "eastwood" eastwood@ne.rr.com

>I have never paid to sub. The person who didn't make it is still responsible
>for his weekly fee. There has never been any problems with this.

There would be in any league I bowl in that allows roaming subs. It is in the
bylaws that subs have to pay into the prize fund but not the lineage.









 
Date: 06 Feb 2005 00:58:00
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: paying to sub
clark wrote:
> anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
> someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go
> towards there prize fund

I subbed Friday night and had to join a new league (only 4 bucks.. ) and
paid the same as the fellow I bowled for would have. My Thursday league is
the same. If someone comes in as a sub, somebody still has to cough up the
11 bucks. Sometimes the bowler who can't show up pays it, but usually
whoever agreed to sub goes ahead and just pays for their evening of bowling.




  
Date: 11 Feb 2005 00:32:26
From: bowldoug
Subject: Re: paying to sub
that being the case then the sub who has paid full fees would be entitled to
a portiom of the prize fund.
the norm would be to have the sub pay thelineage fee if anything at all.
all leagues I have bowled in have the "regular" responsible for the entire
fees but each team does it differently.

--
Douglas Moye
Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
member of consitution and by-laws committee,
and hearings and rerating committee
secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
developing fossil\general pest
"twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com > wrote in message
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> clark wrote:
> > anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
> > someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go
> > towards there prize fund
>
> I subbed Friday night and had to join a new league (only 4 bucks.. ) and
> paid the same as the fellow I bowled for would have. My Thursday league
is
> the same. If someone comes in as a sub, somebody still has to cough up
the
> 11 bucks. Sometimes the bowler who can't show up pays it, but usually
> whoever agreed to sub goes ahead and just pays for their evening of
bowling.
>
>
>




   
Date: 11 Feb 2005 15:29:12
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: paying to sub
bowldoug wrote:
> that being the case then the sub who has paid full fees would be
> entitled to a portiom of the prize fund.
> the norm would be to have the sub pay thelineage fee if anything at
> all. all leagues I have bowled in have the "regular" responsible for
> the entire fees but each team does it differently.
>

On my league, the "prize fund" is paid out in actual prizes several times a
year. Last night, we bowled for "valentines goodies"... we bowled for booze
before New Year's... We bowled for turkeys and hams at Christmas.. and of
course they did (I wasn't on this league earlier this year) turkeys for
Thanksgiving.. etc etc etc. There isn't a "Cash Back" day at the end of
the season. So, if you are a sub paying full fees on my league, and if you
happen to be subbing around a holliday (which happens often.. hollidays are
often the cause of needing a sub), then you bowl for prizes on those nights.

The league I subbed on last Friday, I'm told, is the same. I paid 4 bucks
to join the league and I paid the same fee to bowl as anyone else would. I
don't mind it a bit.. even if I don't end up bowling on a prize night. I'm
perfectly satisfied just going out and having a little fun.




 
Date: 06 Feb 2005 01:01:36
From: Darby
Subject: Re: paying to sub

"clark" <ccorey@starnetdial.net > wrote
> anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
> someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
> there prize fund
>
Our women's leagues charge a sub fee that goes into the prize fund. When I
first started subbing 25 years ago they charged $.50 for subs because every
bowler got a 200 and 500 pin for the first one they bowled in each league
and they used the sub fee to pay for the pins rather than use league money.
They've long ago quit giving pins and the sub fee is up to $2.00, still,
that's a lot less than regular league fees.
Dar




 
Date: 06 Feb 2005 06:12:29
From: Tony R Smith
Subject: Re: paying to sub
All of the leagues in my area are that way.

clark wrote:

> anybody out there bowl in leagues where subs have to pay,filled in for
> someone wed night and had to pay a $3 sub fee was told sub fees go towards
> there prize fund
>
>