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Date: 04 May 2007 19:38:58
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: new ball advise
hi, here are the list of new balls I am looking at. any advise ? hammer:
black widow, hammer: no mercy, ebonite: total nv, storm: shift, storm:
special agent.





 
Date: 05 May 2007 03:05:08
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: new ball advise
In article <20086-463BEE42-244@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net >, Shawn Robertson <spr27@webtv.net> wrote:

> hi, here are the list of new balls I am looking at. any advise ? hammer:
> black widow, hammer: no mercy, ebonite: total nv, storm: shift, storm:
> special agent.
>
If your wanting to pick one to get we'd need more info.
What are you wanting the ball to do? etc.


  
Date: 05 May 2007 16:34:01
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: new ball advise
> from what I have read, all of the balls are described pretty much the
> same way. they all carry down the lane with a aggressive back end
> reaction. medium to heavy oil conditions.

Take those "reviews" with a train-car load of salt! unless you have
the EXACT SAME "bowling style" (delivery, akis position/tilt, rev
rate, ball speed, delivery line, etc.) as the "reviewers" AND you have
the EXACT SAME DRILLING as they did (pin-CG, etc.) AND you bowl on the
EXACT SAME conditions they did (lane type/mfr., oiling, type of pil,
pattern, etc.), YOU WILL NOT "experience" what they "experienced".
Also, compare the "specifications" of those balls (i.e. cover type,
RG, differential, etc.) with the ball(s) you most use and see if
they're at all "compatible" (read: close to). IOW, it's possible one
of those balls is "specificationally similar" to your favorite ball.

IOW, "Your Mileage WILL Vary (YMWV)" if you decide to get one of those
balls and have it Drilled For You. The only real ways to determine if
one of those balls is "right for you" is to consult your driller,
coach, or anyone else who's familiar with YOUR "BOWING STYLE" and is
knowledgeable about balls. Also, if you frequently "change
houses" (i.e. do tournaments, "travel" leagues, leagues in different
houses, etc.) YOU WILL find that you may need a "center-specific" ball
to handle each center's specific lane conditions (league or
tournament).

Finally, if your center's Pro Shop happens to have any of these balls
in a "test drive" condition (i.e., "generic" drilling using
interchangeable thumbs and inserts), take advantage of it. That's how
I decided to get a "Total Inferno" before last Christmas to replace an
aging ball.

These days, buying a ball is a lot like getting a TV, computer, or any
other piece of electrionic gear: there are SO MANY variations in
"configurations" that you really need to have some kind of "hands-on
demo" to compare before you $hell out the dollar$.

That's all I have to offer. I hope it helps a little? :)



   
Date: 08 Jun 2007 23:10:57
From:
Subject: Re: new ball advise
On Jun 8, 8:43 pm, litefrozen <litefro...@mothership.com > wrote:
> In article <1181334486.434847.229...@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com>, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
> > > What do you consider "a good deep cleaner" ?
> > NOTE: the above operations will also help the ball develop a little
> > more "traction", especialy if you bowl on "oily-ish" lanes. Again,
> > THE BALL'S SURFACE ** IS NOT HARMED AT ALL **!
>
> If your going to all that trouble to clean the ball. It shows 409 is not doing the job.
>
> As for the "Scrubby sponge" if its leaving "scrub marks" its altering the
> surface texture of the ball. Thats why its getting more traction on oily-ish
> lanes.
> If you have a polished ball or pearlized ball you don't want to dull it. Unless your
> looking to get a specific reaction from the ball.
> If your ball is dull it may smooth it or make it duller some depending on the grit of the scrubby sponge
> and the surface texture you have on your ball.
> So unless that is the texture you want for that ball or going to polish or resand the ball after don't use it.
> Just use a clean rag for cleaning.
>
> Also a look into micro-fiber towels. they have been looking pretty good so far for wiping off balls at the lanes.

I use clean & dull after every use and it works great for the three
balls that I use. (black widdow, special agent, seek & destroy ). I
also use micro-fiber towlels while I am bowling.



   
Date: 08 Jun 2007 13:28:06
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: new ball advise
> What do you consider "a good deep cleaner" ?

For me, there's no better "deep cleaner" than ** Formula 409 **. Of
course, you can only use this stuff AT HOME. Just place the ball on a
folded table or desk and spritz it with the "409". Let it sit there
for a minute or two, then wipe off the ball with a clean towel.
Depending on the amount of "gunk" you remove, repeat the "spray, wait,
wipe" cycle a couple of times.

To help remove "really stubborn" gunk, use a "scrubby sponge" as
well. Spray the ball with "409" then give the "scrubby" side of the
"scrubby sponge" a couple of sprays with "409" (it "primes" the pad
for cleaning). Then, with VERY LIGHT pressure applied with the sponge
(i.e. no more than you'd use in petting your dog or cat), slowly
"scrub" the ball's surface in a slow circular motion (i.e. like you're
reeling in a fish), turn the ball towards you a little (like a top
would spin), repeat the "circular scrub", turn, scrub, repeat until
you make a full rotation of the ball (NOTE: pay attention to your
"starting point" ;) ). Wipe off the surface with a clean, dry towel
and marvel at the "crud" you'll get. Depending on the ball's surface
texture (polished, dull, pearlised, etc.) you may see curcular "scrub
marks". DO NOT BE ALARMED - the surface isn't harmed in any way! in
fact, if there was a "track area" on the ball, it might be lessened in
appearance or even removed.

Now, repeat this operation EXCEPT you're gonna "scrub" in an "up and
down" motion (i.e. top of ball to bottom of ball and back - like you'd
caress your wife's or GF's head), slightly rotate the ball, "scrub",
rotate, repeat, then wipe off the surface with another clean, dry
towel (you may see more "gunk", but not as much as above). It's
important you use FRESH CLEANER on the ball's surface (don't worry
about the sponge!). This will get whatever "gunk" that might be left
on the surface. Like the "circular scrub" operation above, your
surface may show additional "scrub marks", this time in a vertical
configuration (think "longitude lines" on a globe!). Again, any
"track area" may be completely (or almost) eliminated after this
operation.

NOTE: the above operations will also help the ball develop a little
more "traction", especialy if you bowl on "oily-ish" lanes. Again,
THE BALL'S SURFACE ** IS NOT HARMED AT ALL **!

Finally, hit the ball with a final "409" spray and wipe it off. The
towel shouldn't show any more "gunk", indicating it's "fresh as a
daisy" for your next bowling session. Of course, if you've used your
ball "a while" (i.e. over 60 games), chances are it'll need a
"rejuvenation" (oil-extraction). You can tell it needs one when, no
matter HOW WELL you wipe the ball after every shot (assuming a clean,
dry towel!), the surface acquires a "sheen" that feels oily. Even
cleaning afterwards fails to completely remove the "sheen" AND, if you
hold the ball in your hand, your palm will "feel oily".

FWIW, you can even consider this: go to the store and look for a
packet of "Windex Wipes: Glass and Surface". The packet, located in
the "household cleaners" aisle, is blue in color and contains 25
Windex-moistened cleaning sheets AND is recloseable. Keep this in
your bowling bag along with a SEPARATE DRY TOWEL, NOT to be used in
your "normal ball wiping" operation. When the ball starts to get
"gunky", whip one of the Windex sheets out (take the ball back to the
settee counter or table!), wipe off the ball's surface, then
completely dry it with the separate towel. If anyone objects, tell
them "Windex is USBC-APPROVED FOR CLEANING USE DURING LEAGUE/
TOURNAMENT PLAY!" (if necessary, visit www.bowl.com, search the site
for "Approved Cleaners", and print out the pages for your
reference. :) ). This will help keep your ball in "peak(ish)
condition" during play in addition to the "deep cleaning" process I
described above.

Hope this helps. :)



    
Date: 09 Jun 2007 03:43:46
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: new ball advise
In article <1181334486.434847.229520@q19g2000prn.googlegroups.com >, PromptJock <102151.3223@compuserve.com> wrote:

> > What do you consider "a good deep cleaner" ?

> NOTE: the above operations will also help the ball develop a little
> more "traction", especialy if you bowl on "oily-ish" lanes. Again,
> THE BALL'S SURFACE ** IS NOT HARMED AT ALL **!
>
If your going to all that trouble to clean the ball. It shows 409 is not doing the job.

As for the "Scrubby sponge" if its leaving "scrub marks" its altering the
surface texture of the ball. Thats why its getting more traction on oily-ish
lanes.
If you have a polished ball or pearlized ball you don't want to dull it. Unless your
looking to get a specific reaction from the ball.
If your ball is dull it may smooth it or make it duller some depending on the grit of the scrubby sponge
and the surface texture you have on your ball.
So unless that is the texture you want for that ball or going to polish or resand the ball after don't use it.
Just use a clean rag for cleaning.

Also a look into micro-fiber towels. they have been looking pretty good so far for wiping off balls at the lanes.


   
Date: 01 Jun 2007 22:24:20
From:
Subject: Re: new ball advise
On May 6, 2:09 am, s...@webtv.net (Shawn Robertson) wrote:
> I picked up a new hammer : black widow for a $100. it will cost me
> another $65 to have it drilled and grips put in. I am still looking at
> other ball's I may pick up another one if the price is right. any one
> here use a black widow ? if so, what do you think ?

Well, maybe you should've answered there questions before buying the
ball because the Black Widow should be called the Lane Scraper! That
puppy picks up oil by the quart and often has a cake on it that needs
to be removed... It also requires a lot of maintenance...

As for the Total NV, that ball is impressive and very consistent (in
fact I've nicknamed it the Pocket Finder because it is an extremely
forgiving ball)... It is everything the Widow should've been!
Unfortunately though, the coverstock isn't as durable as some other
brands and from what I hear that is an Ebonite issue as a whole... If
you're looking for a less expensive ball that is comparable to these
with a little more backend then get an Infinite One from Ebonite...

As for the Special Agent, I've never had the privelage to use this
ball but if the Coverstock is solid and the arc consistent and strong
it may well be the better ball of the bunch... Oh and another ball to
checkout is the Storm Diablo as that is said to be a very nice ball
with great backend energy...

Pete



    
Date: 01 Jun 2007 23:18:25
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: new ball advise
In article <1180736660.514862.113520@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com >, <pmperry@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, maybe you should've answered there questions before buying the
> ball because the Black Widow should be called the Lane Scraper! That
> puppy picks up oil by the quart and often has a cake on it that needs
> to be removed... It also requires a lot of maintenance...

If your getting a lot of "cake" on a ball. Then the house needs to clean the ball return system. Its getting build up
on the belts,pickups etc. Its not the balls fault.

The maintenance on a BW is the same as you should be performing on all balls.
Clean it after a set, Use a good deep cleaner once a week or once month depending on how much you bowl.

If you think it needs it extract the oil, do the warm water& dawn method.

You'll get 100+ games out of it. Mine has 100+ games and still going.
Ball death is not a problem,if you do simple maintenance on your equipment.


     
Date: 08 Jun 2007 17:33:18
From: Richard Schwager
Subject: Re: new ball advise
What do you consider "a good deep cleaner" ?

litefrozen wrote:
> In article <1180736660.514862.113520@p47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, <pmperry@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, maybe you should've answered there questions before buying the
>> ball because the Black Widow should be called the Lane Scraper! That
>> puppy picks up oil by the quart and often has a cake on it that needs
>> to be removed... It also requires a lot of maintenance...
>
> If your getting a lot of "cake" on a ball. Then the house needs to clean the ball return system. Its getting build up
> on the belts,pickups etc. Its not the balls fault.
>
> The maintenance on a BW is the same as you should be performing on all balls.
> Clean it after a set, Use a good deep cleaner once a week or once month depending on how much you bowl.
>
> If you think it needs it extract the oil, do the warm water& dawn method.
>
> You'll get 100+ games out of it. Mine has 100+ games and still going.
> Ball death is not a problem,if you do simple maintenance on your equipment.


      
Date: 09 Jun 2007 03:17:30
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: new ball advise
In article <ypgai.66859$Sa4.16111@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net >, Richard Schwager <resabc@verizon.net> wrote:

> What do you consider "a good deep cleaner" ?
>

Well over the years I've tried a whole lot of cleaners. Heres what I currently use, I havent found anything beating it yet.

For cleaning at the lanes
"Neo-Tac Hook-it"
it's a strong surface cleaner and removes all oil and grime. Also seems to get a little oil out of the coverstock pores.
Gives the ball a very tacky feel after cleaning.

For deep cleaning at home
Ebonite Powerhouse Clean nı Dull ( formerly Tracks Clean N' Dull)
It draws oil out of the balls coverstock and removes dirt, grime and belt burns easily.
Works great by hand or with a spinner.

Theres a couple of others I've heard good stuff about , but I havent got ahold of them to test yet.
Like lane concepts products.

as for regular home cleaners they are better than nothing, but I havent found any that stand out
in anyway.

Heres alink to a ball cleaning article I wrote.
http://www.bowlingtracker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112

Heres a link to a comparison test I did with Ebonite Powerhouse-Energizer Cleaner
-VS-Track Clean'N Dull ( Ebonite Powerhouse Clean nı Dull now)
http://www.bowlingtracker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130

Heres a link to my test of hook-it
http://www.bowlingtracker.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135

These tests have pictures of the balls uncleaned and cleaned.

If you have a totally oil soaked ball the Hot water and dawn method is good.
or if your proshop has a oil extractor machine thats good to.
(WARNING DONT BAKE A BALL IN THE OVEN AT HOME!)


   
Date: 05 May 2007 23:09:06
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: new ball advise
I picked up a new hammer : black widow for a $100. it will cost me
another $65 to have it drilled and grips put in. I am still looking at
other ball's I may pick up another one if the price is right. any one
here use a black widow ? if so, what do you think ?



    
Date: 06 May 2007 13:03:37
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: new ball advise
In article <2609-463D7102-473@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net >, Shawn Robertson <spr27@webtv.net> wrote:

> I picked up a new hammer : black widow for a $100. it will cost me
> another $65 to have it drilled and grips put in. I am still looking at
> other ball's I may pick up another one if the price is right. any one
> here use a black widow ? if so, what do you think ?
>
The Black Widow is was one of the hottest balls when it came out. Still very popular.

Read all the reviews here-
http://www.ballreviews.com/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ManufacterID=18&BallID=726

The main thing with the BW is keep it clean! Clean it after each set. I would
recommend a good deep cleaner something like Clean-n-Dull or Hook-it.
This is to help the life of the ball.


  
Date: 05 May 2007 10:38:02
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: new ball advise
from what I have read, all of the balls are described pretty much the
same way. they all carry down the lane with a aggressive back end
reaction. medium to heavy oil conditions.