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Date: 23 Apr 2007 18:06:16
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: mr. inconsistent
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today's scores : 116, 211, 168, 122, 171. I have been bowling for six
months and I have not found any consistency in my game yet. these scores
are common for me.
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Date: 30 May 2007 16:53:09
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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> FWIW, this "truism" is echoed in the book "Bowling 200+" by Parker
> Bohn II and Jim Aulby.
'Scooze me - that should've'en ** MIKE Aulby **.....
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Date: 30 May 2007 15:55:48
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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> FWIW, this "truism" is echoed in the book "Bowling 200+" by Parker
> Bohn II and Jim Aulby.
D'oh! that should've'en ** MIKE Aulby **.....
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Date: 30 May 2007 15:49:23
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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> I'm taking a hit in scores at the moment to be able to get a better
> flowing armswing. It's an investment in the future :)
FWIW, this "truism" is echoed in the book "Bowling 200+" by Parker
Bohn II and Jim Aulby. IOW, if you work on adopting a new "tool" for
your game (i.e., different delivery line, hand position, etc.) your
"scores" will suffer as your body works to get used to the "new tool".
Keep at the work, and try not to get discouraged! you'll discover
(sooner than you think!) your scores, etc. will start rising again.
Then, it's time to "start the cycle" again for another "new tool". :)
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Date: 30 May 2007 09:19:41
From: genob
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:06:16 -0700, spr27@webtv.net (Shawn Robertson)
wrote:
>today's scores : 116, 211, 168, 122, 171. I have been bowling for six
>months and I have not found any consistency in my game yet. these scores
>are common for me.
There are a bunch of nice folks on www.bowlingcommunity.com . A lot
of people post movies there asking very similar questions.
I'm currently reworking my approach using a variant of the 4 step (I
push out on the 2nd step). Free armswing is also key! Don't force
the ball...
I'm taking a hit in scores at the moment to be able to get a better
flowing armswing. It's an investment in the future :)
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Date: 01 May 2007 09:54:15
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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> I also have problems picking up the nine and ten pins. I am a right
> handed bowler and I stand on the left side of the lane and throw
> diagnaly across to the right side. thank's for all of the advise so far.
I agree with newsreader: try and MPEG yourself using a camcorder or a
digital camera and post the file at YouTube or www.mytempdir.com (I
think that's its' name?). Make sure you use the HIGHEST POSSIBLE
PICTURE QUALITY (i.e. 320x240 HQ) so we can "see the details" and that
your full swing, etc. can be captured by the lens. Tell us where the
file is and we'll "scrutinize" it.
Good luck. :)
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 19:15:19
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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I also have problems picking up the nine and ten pins. I am a right
handed bowler and I stand on the left side of the lane and throw
diagnaly across to the right side. thank's for all of the advise so far.
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Date: 01 May 2007 09:36:42
From: newsreader
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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Shawn Robertson wrote:
> I also have problems picking up the nine and ten pins. I am a right
> handed bowler and I stand on the left side of the lane and throw
> diagnaly across to the right side. thank's for all of the advise so far.
>
if you can't hit your mark you will miss singles as well as the pocket.
Do you always miss this corner in the same way maybe ?
Standing left is good but block the shot i.e walk toward the target and
not up the left hand side of the lane. is that what you do ?
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Date: 01 May 2007 12:01:59
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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I don't have a camcorder.
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Date: 01 May 2007 19:45:41
From: newsreader
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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Shawn Robertson wrote:
> I don't have a camcorder.
>
cell phone that takes video ?
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Date: 02 May 2007 00:04:40
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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> no video phone either. but I took some advise from one of you guy's and
> concentrated on locking out my elbow, and it helped. my scores today
> were : 172, 168, 223, 173 . that is more consistent than usual for me. I
> am also doing better with picking up the nine and ten pins buy using the
> middle arrow as a mark. I am thinking of getting a second ball that does
> not hook as much, and play a tighter line. I generally have to use the
> one, two or three board with the ball I am using now. I would like to be
> able to use the five or six board for a more medium hook. any advise on
> a ball that fits that criteria ? the ball I use now is a morich "seek &
> destroy" . I should probably get a spare ball as well. thank's for all
> of the advise, I appreciate it.
Do you have a DIGITAL CAMERA that can shoot short movie clips? a
suitable one can be had for under $100 (example:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=7669604&type=product&productCategoryId=pcmcat99100050023&id=1134702111012).
Just put it on a tripod, aim/focus it accordingly, set it to max res,
start it recording, deliver a ball, stop the camera, and save the
clip! remember, the larger the memory card, the more clips you can
shoot and save. You can transfer them to your computer later for
viewing, sharing, etc. :)
Otherwise, glad the "down and locked" tip gave you immediate
improvement. Keep working with it to become COMFORTABLE doing it
(it'll take a while to "break the habit, etc." of bending the elbow
and replacing it with the "locked" elbow :) ).
A "standard" spare ball is the venerable Columbia 300 "White Dot".
Actually, ANY polyester-shell (a.k.a. "plastic") ball will do - let
your budget determine what you get. Just remember to keep the hand
FLAT behind the ball when sending it to the corner pins and always
roll it DEAD STRAIGHT with no "side turns". This takes practice, but
is well worth it in getting more spares.
The "Seek and Destroy" is a good "all around" ball. Just keep it
CLEAN (i.e. hit it with "windex" or similar spray cleaner after every
bowling session) to minimise oil absorption, and have your Pro
Shoperator give it a "rejuvenation" and resurfacing at least once a
year (twice a year if you bowl lots of leagues, tournaments,
etc. :) ). To minimise its' "hook power", REMOVE a lot of "side spin"
at delivery by rolling a "flatter" ball (i.e. fingers more "up the
back", rather than "on the side", at release) and you'll probably find
you can immediately move to the 8-10 board lay-down range (where the
oil is). The ball will probably react a little better, too (i.e. not
contacting as much "dry boards").
Anyhoo, glad you read you're seeing some improvment. However, STILL
CONSIDER SOME COACHING during the Spring/Summer months. :)
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Date: 01 May 2007 16:58:17
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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no video phone either. but I took some advise from one of you guy's and
concentrated on locking out my elbow, and it helped. my scores today
were : 172, 168, 223, 173 . that is more consistent than usual for me. I
am also doing better with picking up the nine and ten pins buy using the
middle arrow as a mark. I am thinking of getting a second ball that does
not hook as much, and play a tighter line. I generally have to use the
one, two or three board with the ball I am using now. I would like to be
able to use the five or six board for a more medium hook. any advise on
a ball that fits that criteria ? the ball I use now is a morich "seek &
destroy" . I should probably get a spare ball as well. thank's for all
of the advise, I appreciate it.
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 07:17:07
From: moncho
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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Shawn Robertson wrote:
> today's scores : 116, 211, 168, 122, 171. I have been bowling for six
> months and I have not found any consistency in my game yet. these scores
> are common for me.
>
PromptJock has the right answers.
From your post, (not being mean here) you are consistent at missing
spares. Are there any particular pins that you consistently miss (7
pin, 10 pin, etc..)?
moncho
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 22:39:34
From:
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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On Apr 30, 3:45 pm, s...@webtv.net (Shawn Robertson) wrote:
> my biggest problem is I have a hard time keeping my arm straight, so I
> miss my mark alot.
Oh yes, I've had this problem... The Elbow is actually only a symptom
of your problem... The real problem is likely that you're bringing
the ball behind your back and your body is compensating on the follow
through with a bent elbow and I would bet your hand is coming across
your body as well...
It's funny, Golf the club wraps around your back and swings through
the front... Bowling the ball should stay on a parallel with your
body... For me, my golf swing was parallel with my body and my
bowling release wrapped around my body...
I had to shorten my swing and focus on my follow through and now I'm
very consistent (160 - 180 and getting better) games...
Pete
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 23:18:59
From: newsreader
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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best see an instructor. abent arm doesn;t have to be bad - though it
often is. E.g. Earl (god rest him) bowled with a distinct bend in his
elbow and he was not too dusty a player...
pmperry@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 30, 3:45 pm, s...@webtv.net (Shawn Robertson) wrote:
>> my biggest problem is I have a hard time keeping my arm straight, so I
>> miss my mark alot.
>
> Oh yes, I've had this problem... The Elbow is actually only a symptom
> of your problem... The real problem is likely that you're bringing
> the ball behind your back and your body is compensating on the follow
> through with a bent elbow and I would bet your hand is coming across
> your body as well...
>
> It's funny, Golf the club wraps around your back and swings through
> the front... Bowling the ball should stay on a parallel with your
> body... For me, my golf swing was parallel with my body and my
> bowling release wrapped around my body...
>
> I had to shorten my swing and focus on my follow through and now I'm
> very consistent (160 - 180 and getting better) games...
>
> Pete
>
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 13:34:25
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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> my biggest problem is I have a hard time keeping my arm straight, so I
> miss my mark alot.
Ah, the "Bent Elbow" Syndrome! ;)
Do this drill in the privacy of your own home:
1) Stand IN FRONT of a full-length mirror.
2) If you have a camcorder, set it up on a tripod so it's facing your
BOWLING ARM (IOW, your RIGHT arm if you're a right arm bowler).
Ensure its' lens can catch your ENTIRE BODY, from top of head to
floor.
3) Get into your stance, holding the ball like you're gonna make start
an approach and delivery.
4) While you're holding the ball, bring your NON-SLIDE leg (i.e. left
for a right-hander, right for a left-hander) BEHIND YOU approx. 18",
then slide it AWAY from your bowling side (i.e. LEFT for a right-
hander, RIGHT for a left-hander) 12" or so. MAKE SURE YOU'RE STILL
STANDING BALANCED - adjust this "trailing" leg as necessary so you're
standing comfortably in balance. At this time, have someone start the
camcorder.
5) Now, PUSH the ball STRAIGHT FORWARD (not up or down!), ensuring
your arm straightens out and the ball starts to fall. The front
mirror will give you visual feedback here.
6) Let the ball FREELY FALL into the swing. Let the ball FREELY swing
behind you by gravity, then let it come back BY ITSELF (no "helping
it" :) ) to the front of your body.
7) At this time, pull the ball back into your body so it's,
essentially, back to the step 3) "square one" position.
8) Repeat steps 3-7 about 10 times. DO NOT RUSH YOURSELF!
After this, put the ball down and stop the camcorder. Rewind the tape
and view it. If you were "paying attention", you'll see exactly where
your elbow "cricks" (bends) in the swing. Work on "de-cricking" the
elbow so the swing arm is "straight and true" from the start of the
swing to when the ball comes back.
Do this in addition to any coaching you may consider getting. Once
you get your arm used to being "down and locked" (like aircraft
landing gear before landing ;) ), the rest of your swing, etc. will
start falling into place.
Good luck... :)
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Date: 30 Apr 2007 12:45:16
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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my biggest problem is I have a hard time keeping my arm straight, so I
miss my mark alot.
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Date: 01 May 2007 09:34:33
From: newsreader
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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Shawn Robertson wrote:
> my biggest problem is I have a hard time keeping my arm straight, so I
> miss my mark alot.
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A bit of elbow bend didn't hurt Earl's game too much - see an instructor.
I lot of things can cause missing the mark - mostly gearing related IMV.
Of course you could post a video on youtube and let us see - can never
quite see the action on a Newgroup posting :)
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Date: 01 May 2007 00:22:26
From: Darby
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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Shawn, get your arm straight on the push-off. Lock your elbow before you
start your back swing. You're probably starting your back swing too soon if
you aren't getting that done. That'll mess up your timing. While you are
pushing off you should be looking at the mark you want the ball to roll
over, push the ball towards it. Then you can drop the ball into your
backswing. When the ball comes back forward it should be in line with your
mark. That's the pendulum swing.
Dar
"Shawn Robertson" <spr27@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:8982-4636474C-520@storefull-3313.bay.webtv.net...
> my biggest problem is I have a hard time keeping my arm straight, so I
> miss my mark alot.
>
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Date: 26 Apr 2007 00:44:36
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: mr. inconsistent
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> today's scores : 116, 211, 168, 122, 171. I have been bowling for six
> months and I have not found any consistency in my game yet. these scores
> are common for me.
Get y'self some coaching. Now (i.e. Spring/Summer) is the PERFECT
TIME to do it. Given your listed scores, a USBC "Bronze" or "Silver"
certified coach can quickly discover what "training" you
need...provided YOU ARE WILLING to listen to and work with said
coach. :)
Next, see if you can get Tape #1 of the "Ritger 'Perfect Bowling'
Series", called "The Perfect Strike Feeling". Your local PRo Shop
should (might?) have one in stock, otherwise he/she can order one for
you (costs $20 or so?). DO ALL THE DRILLS demonstrated in the tape,
in the order given, "perfecting" one set of skills before moving on to
the next set of skill drills (i.e. get your arm LOOSE before moving to
the grip/release skills).
If you can do this IN ADDITION TO any coaching lessons, you'll be in
"fighting form" before the summer is over, ready to tackle the
2007-2008 League Season! :)
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