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Date: 05 Feb 2009 21:07:24
From:
Subject: little help
do you hook into your spares or throw it straight ? is your delivery
the same for both your strike ball and your straight ball ? the reason
I ask, is because my strike ball is ok, but throwing a straight ball
has allway's been dificult for me. I purchased a plastic spare ball to
help with my transistion from hooking into spares to throwing it
straight. some day's I do fine, others I can't do a damn thing.
because I bowl by my self, I don't know what I am doing wrong. so I
either need to by a camcorder or take lessons, both of which are very
expensive. bowling is so hard, I am starting to lose spirit. I will
bowl a 200 one game and a 140 the next. it's so frustrating. any
advise would be apreciated.




 
Date: 08 Feb 2009 09:20:14
From:
Subject: Re: little help
Just some random thoughts about spares, which may or may not be
helpful to you.

For amateurs like me, I view making spares as really a two ball
process. First, you keep your strike ball in play, in other words its
not a perfect strike shot, but you could get a strike. You get 8, 9,
or a strike, Then you have an easy spare to shoot at. If you leave
the 3-6-10 on the first ball, the spare is probably twice as hard as a
single pin spare. My point is that it is important to be accurate
enough on your strike ball to keep the ball in play and get easy
spares.

I shoot all my spares with the plastic, exempt if I have a double wood
somewhere in the spare, or I have a 5 pin or head pin. My reasoning
for the last part is that the oil pattern gives you room for error in
shooting strikes and as a result also gives you a very large room for
error in shooting the 5 pin. Also, once you get some confidence, you
can try to figure out why you left a 5 pin and use the spare shot to
practice the correction and see what happens.

When I practice, I spend at least one game throwing the first ball at
the 10 pin and the second at the 7 (both with the plastic ball). If I
throw the ball in the gutter I correct the score on that throw to be
3. You want to try to get your score low. But there is not a direct
correlation between your score and how well you are doing, which makes
the practice more boring. In other words a 55 is not necessarily
better than a 60, because when you shot the 60, you could have thrown
a great shot at the 10 pin, just nipped the 6 pin, and it kicks into
the rack and knocks down a bunch of pins. Was still a good shot but
that does not show in your score. So you can't say oh boy I shot a 60
last week and a 55 this week, I am getting better. So you have to go
more by feel on how well you are doing. Is the ball consistently
rolling over your target.

One thing that worked for me was you want to make sure your arm swing
is straight, particularly on your spares. So make sure you hold the
ball over by your shoulder. I tend to let it inch in toward my chest
and have to fix that. Your shoulders are square to the target (not
the lane, the target). When you start your push off, push the ball
straight ahead from the shoulder, which at the same time should be a
push toward the target. That leads to straight swings.

If you practice 15 games a week, for some reason you get better much
faster if you did that 5 games a day for 3 days rather than 15 games
on one day. So short practices over a number of days is much better.


  
Date: 08 Feb 2009 18:52:34
From: Darlene Block
Subject: Re: little help
Craig, that was some very good advise clearly explained.

<craigconnell@yahoo.com > wrote
> Just some random thoughts about spares, which may or may not be
> helpful to you.
>
> For amateurs like me, I view making spares as really a two ball
> process. First, you keep your strike ball in play, in other words its
> not a perfect strike shot, but you could get a strike. You get 8, 9,
> or a strike, Then you have an easy spare to shoot at. If you leave
> the 3-6-10 on the first ball, the spare is probably twice as hard as a
> single pin spare. My point is that it is important to be accurate
> enough on your strike ball to keep the ball in play and get easy
> spares.
>
> I shoot all my spares with the plastic, except if I have a double wood
> somewhere in the spare, or I have a 5 pin or head pin. My reasoning
> for the last part is that the oil pattern gives you room for error in
> shooting strikes and as a result also gives you a very large room for
> error in shooting the 5 pin. Also, once you get some confidence, you
> can try to figure out why you left a 5 pin and use the spare shot to
> practice the correction and see what happens.
>
> When I practice, I spend at least one game throwing the first ball at
> the 10 pin and the second at the 7 (both with the plastic ball). If I
> throw the ball in the gutter I correct the score on that throw to be
> 3. You want to try to get your score low. But there is not a direct
> correlation between your score and how well you are doing, which makes
> the practice more boring. In other words a 55 is not necessarily
> better than a 60, because when you shot the 60, you could have thrown
> a great shot at the 10 pin, just nipped the 6 pin, and it kicks into
> the rack and knocks down a bunch of pins. Was still a good shot but
> that does not show in your score. So you can't say oh boy I shot a 60
> last week and a 55 this week, I am getting better. So you have to go
> more by feel on how well you are doing. Is the ball consistently
> rolling over your target.
>
> One thing that worked for me was you want to make sure your arm swing
> is straight, particularly on your spares. So make sure you hold the
> ball over by your shoulder. I tend to let it inch in toward my chest
> and have to fix that. Your shoulders are square to the target (not
> the lane, the target). When you start your push off, push the ball
> straight ahead from the shoulder, which at the same time should be a
> push toward the target. That leads to straight swings.
>
> If you practice 15 games a week, for some reason you get better much
> faster if you did that 5 games a day for 3 days rather than 15 games
> on one day. So short practices over a number of days is much better.




 
Date: 07 Feb 2009 03:41:01
From: Darlene Block
Subject: Re: little help
I throw a plastic ball straight. I just kept the straight ball I learned to
throw before I learned to throw a hook.
Some people use the plastic ball and throw a hook at their spares. The
plastic ball doesn't hook as much and they can get the corner pins with the
smaller hook.
Some people only use the straight ball or only the plastic ball for
corner pins and make adjustments with their strike ball for other spares.
Others use their spare ball for all spares.
You pretty much need to practice on spares and find what works for you.
What's good for one is a disaster for someone else.
Dar

<spr272000@netzero.net > wrote
> do you hook into your spares or throw it straight ? is your delivery
> the same for both your strike ball and your straight ball ? the reason
> I ask, is because my strike ball is ok, but throwing a straight ball
> has allway's been dificult for me. I purchased a plastic spare ball to
> help with my transistion from hooking into spares to throwing it
> straight. some day's I do fine, others I can't do a damn thing.
> because I bowl by my self, I don't know what I am doing wrong. so I
> either need to by a camcorder or take lessons, both of which are very
> expensive. bowling is so hard, I am starting to lose spirit. I will
> bowl a 200 one game and a 140 the next. it's so frustrating. any
> advise would be apreciated.




  
Date: 06 Feb 2009 22:10:15
From: TNL
Subject: Re: little help
I use the same ball for both spares & strikes. For my ten pin, I learned to
break my wrist out straight and flat and release the ball with my thumb
around 3 o'clock and let it fall off my hand at the bottom of my swing. This
makes the ball roll nearly end over end (with no lift or side spin). I
practiced this release over and over strait down the middle of the lane,
trying to hit the head pin as close to the nose as possible. I then moved to
the left on the approach and applied the same to the ten pin. This really
improved my ten pin pickup ratio.

Once I learned this, I could through it straight to anywhere on the lane
with a great deal of accuracy. This strait flat release helped me pick up
the 7-10 split which I've done 4 times. (I do throw rather hard when
attempting this).

Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, I think any good bowler should learn to
kill the ball like this if they throw hook on their first ball. I do throw
hook at most of my spares except the ten pin. Put under certain conditions,
throwing hook can lower your spare ratio if the lanes are drier. So learn
to kill your shot. It sure helped me.

--
(Remove "nuttinbut" from email addy to reply direct)
--TNL

"Darlene Block" <tenpinhawkeye@mchsi.com > wrote in message
news:gp7jl.505515$TT4.212880@attbi_s22...
>I throw a plastic ball straight. I just kept the straight ball I learned to
>throw before I learned to throw a hook.
> Some people use the plastic ball and throw a hook at their spares. The
> plastic ball doesn't hook as much and they can get the corner pins with
> the smaller hook.
> Some people only use the straight ball or only the plastic ball for
> corner pins and make adjustments with their strike ball for other spares.
> Others use their spare ball for all spares.
> You pretty much need to practice on spares and find what works for you.
> What's good for one is a disaster for someone else.
> Dar
>
> <spr272000@netzero.net> wrote
>> do you hook into your spares or throw it straight ? is your delivery
>> the same for both your strike ball and your straight ball ? the reason
>> I ask, is because my strike ball is ok, but throwing a straight ball
>> has allway's been dificult for me. I purchased a plastic spare ball to
>> help with my transistion from hooking into spares to throwing it
>> straight. some day's I do fine, others I can't do a damn thing.
>> because I bowl by my self, I don't know what I am doing wrong. so I
>> either need to by a camcorder or take lessons, both of which are very
>> expensive. bowling is so hard, I am starting to lose spirit. I will
>> bowl a 200 one game and a 140 the next. it's so frustrating. any
>> advise would be apreciated.
>
>



 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 22:04:22
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: little help
> Question: do you have a DIGITAL CAMERA?

I did some mulling today after posting this question to our original
asker and I came up with this.

He mentioned that coaching and a camcorder were a little expensive. I
can agree to a point, so I came up with an alternate idea for
recording "motion":

A laptop with a webcam connected to it!

Assuming the webcam has zoom capability, one can easily set-up the
camera to record directly to the hard drive. That way, there will be
minimal "post-processing" of the video AND you can upload same to a
"file sharing, etc." site for others in this forum to peruse.

Seeing as laptops are fairly inexpensive and many webcams are "dirt
cheap", while having good features, this might be something to look at
for anyone who need some "video help".

That's all I can offer and I hope it helps, etc. :)


 
Date: 06 Feb 2009 09:41:50
From: John O
Subject: Re: little help

<spr272000@netzero.net > wrote in message
news:84563573-eb78-4f97-8496-b64da23f64b6@a12g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> do you hook into your spares or throw it straight ? is your delivery
> the same for both your strike ball and your straight ball ? the reason
> I ask, is because my strike ball is ok, but throwing a straight ball
> has allway's been dificult for me. I purchased a plastic spare ball to
> help with my transistion from hooking into spares to throwing it
> straight. some day's I do fine, others I can't do a damn thing.
> because I bowl by my self, I don't know what I am doing wrong. so I
> either need to by a camcorder or take lessons, both of which are very
> expensive. bowling is so hard, I am starting to lose spirit. I will
> bowl a 200 one game and a 140 the next. it's so frustrating. any
> advise would be apreciated.

What Prompt said, then:
Practice the straight balls. Buy three games of nothing but shooting
straight at 7, 10, and other pins.
Work on the perfectly straight ball. Use your plastic or regular ball,
whatever suits you, but NO HOOK! The idea is that you can always use this
shot no matter if you're playing a greased teflon lane or the parking lot.
It always works.

Then, figure out exactly what board to start with on the approach and what
board to target for the 7, 4, 2, 6, and 10 pins. You want to hit each one
exactly head on. If you get it right, and can repeat it, you then have a
good shot at 4-9, 3-10, and others. I'm telling ya, if you get this down
your average can increase by 15 pins, or more, and it'll turn those 140s
into 175s.

I throw strike balls at the 3, 5, 8, 9 and combos. Move my feet left or
right a few boards as needed, and then try to get the delivery correct on
the second ball in the frame. ;-)

-John O





 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 23:50:00
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: little help
> bowling is so hard, I am starting to lose spirit. I will
> bowl a 200 one game and a 140 the next. it's so frustrating. any
> advise would be apreciated.

Don't lose heart! a lot of the scoring "discrepancy" can be directly
tied to your MENTAL "STATE" during the game. IOW, if you let yourself
"deflate" when you don't get a strike or miss a spare, it'll start
"snowballing" on you until you feel the way you mention.

Dean Hiniz' book "Focused For Bowling" is a great resource in helping
you "toughen up" mentally.

Question: do you have a DIGITAL CAMERA? if you can't afford a coach or
a camcorder, your humble DIGITAL CAMERA can probably do the job of
recording your delivery, etc. Most, if not all, digital cameras have
"MPEG" or "clip" mode where you can record short segments of
"video" (say, 15 seconds @ highest resolution - which is Just Right to
capture a complete bowling shot from setup to delivery!). This is
usually all you need to record numerous shots onto your memory card,
which you can download to your PC later for examination. In fact,
that's how I started "video coaching" - I used my humble Sony CD-
Mavica to give "instant feedback" to my "students", and it made a
world of difference in teaching, etc. BE AWARE OF ONE THING with
digital cameras: their "low-light" capabilities aren't the best
(compared to camcorders), so make sure there's lots of ambient light
in the center shining on your back. ;)

Again, I hope this helps...


 
Date: 05 Feb 2009 23:39:52
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: little help
> do you hook into your spares or throw it straight ? is your delivery
> the same for both your strike ball and your straight ball ? the reason
> I ask, is because my strike ball is ok, but throwing a straight ball
> has allway's been dificult for me. I purchased a plastic spare ball to
> help with my transistion from hooking into spares to throwing it
> straight. some day's I do fine, others I can't do a damn thing.
> because I bowl by my self, I don't know what I am doing wrong. so I
> either need to by a camcorder or take lessons, both of which are very
> expensive. bowling is so hard, I am starting to lose spirit. I will
> bowl a 200 one game and a 140 the next. it's so frustrating. any
> advise would be apreciated.

1) Depending on the spare leave, I'll either straight-ball it or hook
it. For my 6 and 10 pins, I'll do the "straight plastic". For a 3
pin, I'll use my strike ball and flatten the delivery. For the LEFT
SIDE spares (2,4,7,8) I'll use my strike ball and hook it to the
pins. For the 1 and 5 pins (the "middle fingers"), I'll deliver my
strike ball.

2) The delivery (and ball used) depends on the spare leave, as
mentioned above.

To deliver a straight ball, you need to have your palm AS PARALLEL TO
THE LANE AS YOU CAN DO IT so your fingers, literally, come straight up
the back of the ball. This will result in a track that's VERY, VERY
CLOSE to the thumb hole (and sometimes the ball will roll over the
thumb hole!). If necessary, deliver it with a little "backup ball"
action, especially if the lanes (backend, specifically) are really
dry! You also want to deliver it VERY FAST, but still maintain
control so the follow-through doesn't "cross" your body in any way.

Does this help? if you can, see if you can find a Certified Coach to
help you in these areas.

Good luck....