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Date: 18 May 2007 15:56:20
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: can't throw a straight ball
my first ball is fine, I get plenty of strikes with my hook. but I miss
allot of spares because I can't throw a straight ball worth a damn.
having my hand under the ball upon release feels strange. my biggest
spare problem is the nine and ten pins where I am forced to throw it
straight. I can hook into most other spares. to be honest I am terrified
of taking lessons and having the instructor break my game down and start
from scratch with a new approach and release etc. like I said before I
am happy with my first ball, if I could get some consistency with
spares, I would be where I want to be at this time, which is a no
handicap bowler. my average is between 170 & 180 . I am not in a league
so I don't keep a log of my scores, but that is about right. any
suggestions ?





 
Date: 01 Jun 2007 22:48:45
From:
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
On May 20, 9:00 pm, "Doug Mueller" <bowler_m...@comcast.net > wrote:
> Real bowlers use one ball

Yeah Right! Then I guess there aren't any real bowlers on the PBA
Tour!

Pete



 
Date: 01 Jun 2007 22:46:58
From:
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
On May 18, 6:56 pm, s...@webtv.net (Shawn Robertson) wrote:
> my first ball is fine, I get plenty of strikes with my hook. but I miss
> allot of spares because I can't throw a straight ball worth a damn.
> having my hand under the ball upon release feels strange. my biggest
> spare problem is the nine and ten pins where I am forced to throw it
> straight. I can hook into most other spares. to be honest I am terrified
> of taking lessons and having the instructor break my game down and start
> from scratch with a new approach and release etc. like I said before I
> am happy with my first ball, if I could get some consistency with
> spares, I would be where I want to be at this time, which is a no
> handicap bowler. my average is between 170 & 180 . I am not in a league
> so I don't keep a log of my scores, but that is about right. any
> suggestions ?

You're not forced to throw that straight... I never throw straight at
those... Try my approach and modify it to suit your needs...

With your spare ball stand on 33 with your feet angled so the 3rd
arrow from the right is lined up between your feet and then throw over
that arrow with your normal swing motion... With a little practice
your spare ball will be sliding right in to those spares no problem at
all.

Pete




 
Date: 21 May 2007 07:52:26
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
> I assume you're trying to get a discussion going as that is not what most
> pro bowlers would say.
> Dar
> "Doug Mueller" <
>
>
>
> > Real bowlers use one ball- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Maybe Mr. Doug's reply was half........

...No, I won't finish the thought. ; >



  
Date: 01 Jun 2007 22:50:36
From:
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
On May 21, 9:47 pm, s...@webtv.net (Shawn Robertson) wrote:
> I would hate to have to by a plastic ball just for the ten pin spare.
> simply because my bag only holds three balls ( two ball roller with a
> add a bag ) and I just purchased it. I would have to upgrade to a very
> expensive four ball bag or remove one of the balls from my current bag.
> I believe any ball can be thrown straight if done correctly, the problem
> is I have never thrown a flat ball in my life, and can't seem to keep my
> hand from rotating upon release no matter how hard I try.

You're kidding right? You more than likely won't have a whole lot of
luck with the other options considering their arc... I would
seriously grab a Maxim or something from the local pro-shop and get
that drilled up... When I posted my first response I assumed you had
a spare ball.

Pete



  
Date: 21 May 2007 20:41:32
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
> I would hate to have to by a plastic ball just for the ten pin spare.
> simply because my bag only holds three balls ( two ball roller with a
> add a bag ) and I just purchased it. I would have to upgrade to a very
> expensive four ball bag or remove one of the balls from my current bag.
> I believe any ball can be thrown straight if done correctly, the problem
> is I have never thrown a flat ball in my life, and can't seem to keep my
> hand from rotating upon release no matter how hard I try.

Having a "plastic" ball for the "same side" corner pin spares (6/9/10
for righties, 4/7/8 for lefties) is one of those "conventional wisdom"
types of things. However, you MUST use your ** LEAST AGGRESSIVE **
ball as your "spare" ball to practice rolling a BACKUP BALL to make it
go straight. I'm assuming you're a right-handed bowler for my
"instructions" on rolling a "flat" ball via a "backup" delivery, using
the equipment you already have.

What you have to get used to here is "rotating" your hand in your
stance so the THUMB is pointing @ 3:00 and your middle/ring fingers
are @ 6:00/7:00 respectively. this will, more or less, have your palm
DEAD PARALLEL to the approach and your forearm turned (more or less)
all the way to the right. This will initially feel VERY
UNCOMFORTABLE, which is why you need to initally practice this
position AT HOME holding a "condensed-sized" filled soup can (i.e.
Snow's clam chowder, any Campbell's condensed soup) or even a room-
temperature filled can of pop (don't want to "freeze" the hand! ;) ).
Follow these steps:

1) Initially, hold the can vertically in your bowling hand, with your
arm tucked-in to your body, like you're holding your ball in the
initial stance.
2) Extend your arm straight in front of you, like doing a ball
pushaway, and hold it there. KEEP THE CAN VERTICAL!
3) SLOWLY rotate your hand to the right so the once-vertical can is
now horizontal. You should feel tension in your forearm, your "palm"
thumb joint should be @ 3:00 and your fingers should be pointing
STRAIGHT UP.
4) Hold this position for 10 seconds.
5) SLOWLY rotate the hand back to the VERTICAL position and pull your
arm back to your body. The "tension" in your forearm should
disappear.
6) Wait 5-10 seconds then repeat this drill a few more times starting
at step 2.

The purpose of this next drill is to get your arm and hand used to
holding a "flat" position with a weighted object. When you feel
comfortable with this drill, move on to the next drill. This next
drill requires you to stand IN FRONT of a full-length mirror, or a
similar reflective surface, so you can visually see what you're
doing. Even setting up a digital camera or camcorder in front of you,
directly feeding the video to your TV so you can see it, will work.
Next drill:
1) Perform steps 1, 2 and 3 above.
2) Let your extended arm, with the horizontal can, fall into a swing
like you'd start delivering a ball. DO NOT release the can!
3) While watching yourself, ensure the can stays PERFECTLY PARALLEL to
the floor - DO NOT let it rotate back to the left!
4) Let your arm swing back, STILL HOLDING THE CAN PARALLEL TO THE
FLOOR, and DO NOT let the can roll out of your hand.
5) Once the can is back in front of you, pull your arm back into your
body. At this time, you can return the can to the vertical position.
6) Repeat this drill starting at step 1.

If you did this drill right, your fingers will "track" straight down
in front of you then "track" back up like you're gonna rip someone's
nose off their face via the nostrils (the follow-through). The can
MUST STAY HORIZONTAL! Again, you'll feel tension in your forearm AND
wrist from the weight until your arm gets used to this position. Once
you feel comfortable, move on to the next drill, which will entail
using your BOWLING BALL.

This "do-or-die" drill needs to be done at your local center. Follow
these steps (again, assuming a right-handed bowler):
1) Stand at the foul line with your ball hanging by your side. Stand
with feet together and your RIGHT TOE even with the 25th board (5th
dot). Your LEFT TOE will probably be somewhere around board 28 or 29.
2) Pull your RIGHT LEG behind you and move it to your LEFT, like
you're going to finish a delivery slide. Make sure your LEFT knee is
bent (i.e. sitting down on it) and you're in balance.
3) Now comes the fun part. Hold your ball like in a starting stance.
Make sure your hand is TOTALLY UNDER THE BALL, rotated as far to the
RIGHT as is comfortable (remember the can drills above!), and ensure
your LEFT HAND is supporting the ball's weight (VERY IMPORTANT!).
Your palm thumb knuckle should be @ 3:00 and the fingers should be @
(or near) 6:00/7:00 respectively. Your arm and wrist WILL FEEL WEIRD
- stick with it!
4) Now, SLIGHTLY rotate your bowling shoulder so it's pointing towards
the 10 pin. If necessary, SLIGHTLY rotate your "slide" and "trailing"
feet to maintain balance (won't take much adjustment). If necessary,
try and "aim" your bowling shoulder so the ball will roll around the
17 board at the arrows (between the 3rd and 4th arrows). You'll find
the "rotation" will be VERY, VERY SLIGHT!
5) Remembering how you did the "swing with the horizontal can" drill
(and how it "felt" on the arm/wrist), push the ball away from you into
a swing. Ensuring the hand STAYS PARALLEL WITH THE LANE AT ALL TIMES,
let the ball fall into its' swing, then come forward, and let it
release (don't worry if the ball initially goes "THONK!" when it
releases from your hand). MAKE SURE THE FINGERS STAY ** STRAIGHT AND
VERTICAL ** AFTER THE RELEASE in the follow-through and your palm also
stays facing up.

The desired "feel" of this drill will be:
* your wrist and forearm will feel like they're being "twisted off"
in the downswing and return release swing. THIS IS INITIALLY NORMAL,
until you "get the hang" of it.
* your RING FINGER will bear most of the ball's weight. THIS IS
NORMAL - you want that ring finger "doing the work" to keep the ball
from side-rotating!
* your MIDDLE FINGER should feel LITTLE-TO-NO ball weight - it's
just there "for the ride" and to help ensure the ball goes straight.
* your THUMB will exit the ball VERY, VERY QUICKLY - probably faster
than your "normal" delivery!
* your FOLLOW-THROUGH should have the PALM FACING UP, like you just
gave an "uppercut slap" to an opponent's lower jaw.

You should see your ball roll VERY STRAIGHT down the lane, with LITTLE-
TO-NO "side rotation". In fact, the desired observation will be: ball
"backup" rolls in the oil then, literally, STRAIGHTENS OUT when it
hits the back end, doing an end-over-end roll (hopefully) into the
"face" of the 10 pin (or at least, to the "gap" BETWEEN the 6 and 10
pins). DO NOT BE DISCOURAGED if your initial rolls end up in the
channel OR the ball happens to "veer left" into the 3 or 1 pins:
* for gutter hits - tweak the shoulder LEFT. NOT BY MUCH - it won't
take much adjustment at the foul line to cause a "big change" at the
pin rack.
* for 1/3, or even "full face" 6 hits: tweak the shoulder a little
RIGHT, or MOVE LEFT 1 board or two. Make sure the "head dive" wasn't
due to your bringing your hand back around the ball!

Practice this drill a lot! eventually, you'll get to where you can
start adjusting HAND POSITION to even influence the roll/flip of your
strike delivery to compensate when the lanes start to dry out, etc. :)

I hope this helps and good luck! :)



  
Date: 21 May 2007 18:47:04
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
I would hate to have to by a plastic ball just for the ten pin spare.
simply because my bag only holds three balls ( two ball roller with a
add a bag ) and I just purchased it. I would have to upgrade to a very
expensive four ball bag or remove one of the balls from my current bag.
I believe any ball can be thrown straight if done correctly, the problem
is I have never thrown a flat ball in my life, and can't seem to keep my
hand from rotating upon release no matter how hard I try.



   
Date: 27 Jun 2007 20:02:13
From: Ken
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
From an Old Man that still maintains 200 Plus in a couple leagues. Columbia
Blue Dot. Hardest Bowling ball made and still available. You can't make it
hook. Get a 4 Ball bag on EBay. Other than that, Take your ring finger out
of the ball. Throw it with just the middle finger and thumb. The weight of
the ball makes you kill it and throw it straight

"Shawn Robertson" <spr27@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:20713-46524B98-78@storefull-3317.bay.webtv.net...
>I would hate to have to by a plastic ball just for the ten pin spare.
> simply because my bag only holds three balls ( two ball roller with a
> add a bag ) and I just purchased it. I would have to upgrade to a very
> expensive four ball bag or remove one of the balls from my current bag.
> I believe any ball can be thrown straight if done correctly, the problem
> is I have never thrown a flat ball in my life, and can't seem to keep my
> hand from rotating upon release no matter how hard I try.
>




 
Date: 20 May 2007 18:02:30
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
> Ever consider a plastic ball for shooting spares? A lot of professional
> bowlers on the PBA tour use a plastic ball for spare shooting and so do a
> lot of us amateurs.

Interesting thought. Unfortunately, the original poster never let us
know if he has a separate "spare" ball.

If he does, he needs coaching and practice to hit the corners.

If he doesn't, it's something for him to consider as you suggested. :)



 
Date: 20 May 2007 21:00:49
From: Doug Mueller
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
Real bowlers use one ball




  
Date: 22 May 2007 03:10:20
From: RAZ
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
I guess Walter Ray Williams isn't a real bowler then by your standards. Or
neither are any of the other PBA members who use a spare ball. By the way
you aren't fit to carry their balls as a caddy for them, but then you know
better than them because your name is Doug Mueller. Funny I don't remember
you on TV in a championship match. Maybe that was the week I missed the
Tour.

NOT!

I hate to be rude but you better get your head out of your butt and wake up
my friend. That mentality served well in the days of lacquer and rubber,
plastic and early urethane. This is the year 2007, where have you been all
these years.

RAZ

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"Doug Mueller" <bowler_mule@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> Real bowlers use one ball
>
>




  
Date: 21 May 2007 04:22:24
From: Darby
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
I assume you're trying to get a discussion going as that is not what most
pro bowlers would say.
Dar
"Doug Mueller" <
> Real bowlers use one ball
>
>




 
Date: 20 May 2007 13:32:50
From: RAZ
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
Ever consider a plastic ball for shooting spares? A lot of professional
bowlers on the PBA tour use a plastic ball for spare shooting and so do a
lot of us amateurs.

RAZ
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"Shawn Robertson" <spr27@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:18924-464E2F14-222@storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net...
> my first ball is fine, I get plenty of strikes with my hook. but I miss
> allot of spares because I can't throw a straight ball worth a damn.
> having my hand under the ball upon release feels strange. my biggest
> spare problem is the nine and ten pins where I am forced to throw it
> straight. I can hook into most other spares. to be honest I am terrified
> of taking lessons and having the instructor break my game down and start
> from scratch with a new approach and release etc. like I said before I
> am happy with my first ball, if I could get some consistency with
> spares, I would be where I want to be at this time, which is a no
> handicap bowler. my average is between 170 & 180 . I am not in a league
> so I don't keep a log of my scores, but that is about right. any
> suggestions ?
>




 
Date: 19 May 2007 16:18:30
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
> my first ball is fine, I get plenty of strikes with my hook. but I miss
> allot of spares because I can't throw a straight ball worth a damn.
> having my hand under the ball upon release feels strange. my biggest
> spare problem is the nine and ten pins where I am forced to throw it
> straight. I can hook into most other spares. to be honest I am terrified
> of taking lessons and having the instructor break my game down and start
> from scratch with a new approach and release etc. like I said before I
> am happy with my first ball, if I could get some consistency with
> spares, I would be where I want to be at this time, which is a no
> handicap bowler. my average is between 170 & 180 . I am not in a league
> so I don't keep a log of my scores, but that is about right. any
> suggestions ?

I second Master Newsreader's suggestion - find a certified USBC
"Bronze" or higher coach ASAP!

In the meantime, FORCE YOURSELF to practice perfecting the "flat"
ball. The next time you go to "practice", spend 2 or 3 games trying
to hit NOTHING BUT 10 and 7 PINS (IOW, play "low-ball": gutters on
first ball are immediate strikes, on second ball they're spares). Try
to go for the "perfect" low-ball game score of ** 20 ** (just 7 and 10
pins). You'll find your confidence level will RAPIDLY INCREASE the
more "pure corners" you kill.

For killing the 9 pin: imagine you're shooting for the 3 pin (the 9
sits right behind it in the rack). If you throw it straight at that
target, chances are you'll hit the 9. If not, still target the 3 pin,
but move your starting point 1 board RIGHT (or left, if you're left-
handed). As long as you know where your 3-pin target is, the 9 pin
will pretty much use the same target.

Visit Susie Minshew's site, www.strikeability.com, where you'll find
some great bowling tips for downloading. I also strongly suggest you
get Dr. Dean Hinitz' book, "Focused For Bowling" and SERIOUSLY study
it! Chances are you'll "find yourself" described in that book (I
certainly did! :) ) and, if you have an open mind on what he's
written, you will get good tips on improving your game.

Hope this helps. :)



 
Date: 18 May 2007 23:37:11
From: newsreader
Subject: Re: can't throw a straight ball
see an instructor, explain your problem and your fears.
You are 'fixable'.
Shawn Robertson wrote:
> my first ball is fine, I get plenty of strikes with my hook. but I miss
> allot of spares because I can't throw a straight ball worth a damn.
> having my hand under the ball upon release feels strange. my biggest
> spare problem is the nine and ten pins where I am forced to throw it
> straight. I can hook into most other spares. to be honest I am terrified
> of taking lessons and having the instructor break my game down and start
> from scratch with a new approach and release etc. like I said before I
> am happy with my first ball, if I could get some consistency with
> spares, I would be where I want to be at this time, which is a no
> handicap bowler. my average is between 170 & 180 . I am not in a league
> so I don't keep a log of my scores, but that is about right. any
> suggestions ?
>