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Date: 25 Feb 2005 01:30:20
From: Chuck Mularkey
Subject: Subs who dump for the other team
Our anchor man goes away for a few weeks to bowl nationals and
beforehand he gets one of the well known floating subs that hangs
around the alley to fill in for him. We don't know him(the sub) that
well, but he seems to know everyone else well. The first week he is
there but ends up subbing for another team because he forgot that he
had promised them first, but he is a nice guy and hooks us up with a
friend of his as a sub. We do ok that week, splitting the points,
nothing seems suspicious. He is there this week but again subs for
someone else (no explanation this time), but again he is a nice guy
and has a friend with a 214 book average sub for us.

Me and my teammate bowl about 15-20 pins below our averages, we lose
the first two games, the sub bowls ok..slightly below his average but
ok. The last game is close going into the last few frames, me and my
teamate miss a spare or two and we really need the anchor guy to help
but he misses about 3 spares in a row and a 10 pin in the 10th or
something and ends up with a 170-something. It was a smooth job until
the blatant dumping in the last game, and we made it easier for them
by bowling bad. This was reinforced when my teammate told me he had
overheard the other team talking some shady business amongst
themselves and the sub.

I'm not mad that we got jobbed, we deserved it in a way for being lazy
about finding our own sub that we could trust or using our anchor's
blind instead which would have been better for us. I'm more upset that
I bowled bad, but I'm disappointed that league bowling is really this
cutthroat and greaseballish. I had suspected this is the way it is
done, and this situation had happened to me once before last year when
I reflected on it, but it really hit home tonight. Do people get off
on this kind of manipulation and have a good laugh about it
afterwords, like "we really pulled a good one on those suckers"? I
personally didn't think they needed any help the way we were bowling
tonight, but I guess people prefer a stacked deck whether they need it
or not. And the funny thing is, the original sub that our anchor got
who actually didn't sub for us gets off smelling like a rose because
he wasn't directly involved in the dumping, he was just being a nice
guy by hooking us up with a sub. :) Would anyone else out there like
to share their experiences on this matter? Thanks for listening...

Chuck




 
Date: 26 Feb 2005 00:36:13
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: Subs who dump for the other team
Chuck Mularkey wrote:
> Would anyone else out there like
> to share their experiences on this matter? Thanks for listening...

Sometimes the pins fall and sometimes they don't. - I subbed tonight and
didn't cover a few (several) spares. All three games were close and all
three could have been won if I would have covered my spares. I have a 193
average on that league and didn't break 160 tonight.

What your team mate over heard may have been some joking. I really doubt
anyone who wants to bowl bad enough to hang out waiting to see if someone
needs a sub would then take a dive. - Now and then, I hear guys talk about
sandbagging for "average control", but I know it is a joke.




  
Date: 26 Feb 2005 08:02:01
From:
Subject: Re: Subs who dump for the other team

"twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com > wrote in message
news:2sqdnY7-sNSEu73fRVn-qQ@bresnan.com...
> Chuck Mularkey wrote:
> > Would anyone else out there like
> > to share their experiences on this matter? Thanks for listening...
>
> Sometimes the pins fall and sometimes they don't. - I subbed tonight and
> didn't cover a few (several) spares. All three games were close and all
> three could have been won if I would have covered my spares. I have a 193
> average on that league and didn't break 160 tonight.
>
> What your team mate over heard may have been some joking. I really doubt
> anyone who wants to bowl bad enough to hang out waiting to see if someone
> needs a sub would then take a dive. - Now and then, I hear guys talk about
> sandbagging for "average control", but I know it is a joke.

Not always. I've bowled in leagues where guys have all but admitted to
sandbagging the first half of the year, especially if the league had a
weekly handicap singles/doubles pot. When a guy averages 15-20 pins higher
the second half of the year, something's up. However, I never have heard of
subs dumping on purpose......guys I bowl with have way too much ego to do
that.




   
Date: 26 Feb 2005 08:41:19
From: Darby
Subject: Re: Subs who dump for the other team

<jvq298x2@cigarocigarocigaro.org > wrote ...
>
> "twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com> wrote
>> Chuck Mularkey wrote:
>> > Would anyone else out there like
>> > to share their experiences on this matter? Thanks for listening...
>>
>> Sometimes the pins fall and sometimes they don't. - I subbed tonight and
>> didn't cover a few (several) spares. All three games were close and all
>> three could have been won if I would have covered my spares. I have a
>> 193
>> average on that league and didn't break 160 tonight.
>>
>> What your team mate over heard may have been some joking. I really doubt
>> anyone who wants to bowl bad enough to hang out waiting to see if someone
>> needs a sub would then take a dive. - Now and then, I hear guys talk
>> about
>> sandbagging for "average control", but I know it is a joke.
>
> Not always. I've bowled in leagues where guys have all but admitted to
> sandbagging the first half of the year, especially if the league had a
> weekly handicap singles/doubles pot. When a guy averages 15-20 pins
> higher
> the second half of the year, something's up. However, I never have heard
> of
> subs dumping on purpose......guys I bowl with have way too much ego to do
> that.

If they have averages that are lower in other leagues they may have not
wanted that set to give them a 21 game average significantly higher when the
games were being lost anyway. I'm not saying that would be right, but it was
the first thing I thought of when I read the post.
Dar





 
Date: 24 Feb 2005 22:59:29
From: C D
Subject: Re: Subs who dump for the other team
Not really the same thing, but it reminds me of a couple seasons ago...

My folks bowl in a mixed league. Dad had to be gone one night, then mom
got sick and missed 2.. I ended up subbing 3 weeks in a row and bowled
very well (over 20 pins over my regular average). Team won all 12 games
and got into the running for 1st place, including the 3rd week taking 4
from the current 1st place team.

Got asked to sub for someone else the next week and agreed. I show up
and am bowling against that same 1st place team as the week before.
Again, bowled well and took all 4 games from that team.

2 weeks later, got asked by the team I had bowled against twice to bowl
FOR them.. Came in and the law of averages caught up with me..I shot
100 under for the 3 games and the team lost all 4 games.. putting my
parents team in 1st.. I apologized over and over...

Showed up the next week just to talk to my folks.. and got chewed on
about being brought in to cost that team 1st place and how I was the
worst kind of human being possible. I felt bad, and apologized my head
off.... to no avail. The disgruntled team let it be known that they
would quit if I subbed in the league again. ....I never did.
(BTW.. my parent's team finished in 2nd.. one game above the
disgruntled team, and one game behind the team I subbed for after my 3
weeks on my folks team -that took 4 points from the complainers too)