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Date: 27 Jun 2005 23:10:02
From: duffer
Subject: Sport shot
Winter league average...........222 composite
Sport shot average...............175

Difference..........the sport shot is actually fun.............except for
the other 30 people in the league who actually think that they are really
200+ averages.

Confucious Say.............The lane man giveth and the lane man taketh away.

Actually watched a mega cranker shoot 320 last week. High game of 111. No
attempt to move, just crank harder. Not a clue as too what the game is
about. 3 games, missed the headpin 22 times. Bitched all night.

He will be back this week with 4 new balls, all drilled for max
aggressiveness. Pro shops should love sport shots.






 
Date: 28 Jun 2005 14:04:39
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Sport shot
> Heck, maybe I am asking an unanswerable question until I get to bowl on the
> shot myself.

That is correct, grasshopper - you need to "experience the thrill,
etc." personally.

I can tell you this: on a "typical house shot" you have 3-5 boards of
"leeway" from your target and can still get a strike. On a Sport (or
similar) shot, you're lucky to have 1-2 boards "leeway", and even then
you STILL have to be VERY ACCURATE on your speed, revs, etc. or else
your ball will totally miss the pocket or otherwise leave Something
Very Nasty after it hits the pins.

IOW, Sport Bowling IS NOT something for the "faint of heart." :)



  
Date: 28 Jun 2005 22:23:29
From: Mark D
Subject: Re: Sport shot

"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message
news:1119992679.219488.60920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Heck, maybe I am asking an unanswerable question until I get to bowl on
>> the
>> shot myself.
>
> That is correct, grasshopper - you need to "experience the thrill,
> etc." personally.
>
> I can tell you this: on a "typical house shot" you have 3-5 boards of
> "leeway" from your target and can still get a strike. On a Sport (or
> similar) shot, you're lucky to have 1-2 boards "leeway", and even then
> you STILL have to be VERY ACCURATE on your speed, revs, etc. or else
> your ball will totally miss the pocket or otherwise leave Something
> Very Nasty after it hits the pins.
>
> IOW, Sport Bowling IS NOT something for the "faint of heart." :)


Man, that is the truth! I just got done with our Sport Trios league, and I
suck!
145, 174, 178, 128 which is pretty average for a first timer on sport shot.
After
a session with a coach earlier this year, I was averaging 190-200 on house
shots.
Right now my sport avg is 164, after tonight it'll probably drop to about
159-160.

I get more pissed at myself than anything. Your own mistakes show you to
your
face what happens with bad shots. Faint of heart and the ones that get
pissed off
and throw things, hit things etc., will have their heads explode. But if
you are able
to learn and don't have a problem with humility, it is an EXCELLENT,
learning
experience.

Mark D.





   
Date: 29 Jun 2005 10:24:06
From: moncho
Subject: Re: Sport shot

"Mark D" <5downings@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:rqKdnQ1qPvO1iV_fRVn-hw@comcast.com...
>
> "PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com> wrote in message
> news:1119992679.219488.60920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>> Heck, maybe I am asking an unanswerable question until I get to bowl on
>>> the
>>> shot myself.
>>
>> That is correct, grasshopper - you need to "experience the thrill,
>> etc." personally.
>>
>> I can tell you this: on a "typical house shot" you have 3-5 boards of
>> "leeway" from your target and can still get a strike. On a Sport (or
>> similar) shot, you're lucky to have 1-2 boards "leeway", and even then
>> you STILL have to be VERY ACCURATE on your speed, revs, etc. or else
>> your ball will totally miss the pocket or otherwise leave Something
>> Very Nasty after it hits the pins.
>>
>> IOW, Sport Bowling IS NOT something for the "faint of heart." :)
>
>
> Man, that is the truth! I just got done with our Sport Trios league, and
> I suck!
> 145, 174, 178, 128 which is pretty average for a first timer on sport
> shot. After
> a session with a coach earlier this year, I was averaging 190-200 on house
> shots.
> Right now my sport avg is 164, after tonight it'll probably drop to about
> 159-160.
>
> I get more pissed at myself than anything. Your own mistakes show you to
> your
> face what happens with bad shots. Faint of heart and the ones that get
> pissed off
> and throw things, hit things etc., will have their heads explode. But if
> you are able
> to learn and don't have a problem with humility, it is an EXCELLENT,
> learning
> experience.

That is what I was thinking about. I am willing to accept the fact that I
will be lucky
to hit 160's or so. Atleast in a Sport bowling league you can expect to
face a
difficult shot but I hate the fact on a regular league when some lanes have
a normal
house shot and you are stuck on the lanes when the oiling machine went nuts
and lays
a high oil shot on your lane. This happened to me during a singles
tournament of our 2nd
to last week of our league. Both teams on this pair of lanes complained but
nothing was
done about it.

I look at it this way, if I know the shot will be harder than any other I am
use to, I have
to expect certain situations to happen. For those who join a sport league
and complain,
they should up and leave anyway.

Thanks for the info. I guess for now, I will just sit and wait.

moncho




 
Date: 28 Jun 2005 07:27:15
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Sport shot
> Being interested in sport bowling but no leagues within a 100 mile radius,
> though I hear they are
> coming soon, I was wondering what kind of shot is out there?

Visit www.sportbowling.com - that'll give you the desired info.

NOTE: there isn't "one" Sport Bowling oil patern, but many that conform
to the specification. The one(s) you may encounter WILL be a definite
change from what the Typical House Shot is. :)



  
Date: 28 Jun 2005 14:44:00
From: moncho
Subject: Re: Sport shot

"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message
news:1119968835.319992.195670@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> Being interested in sport bowling but no leagues within a 100 mile
>> radius,
>> though I hear they are
>> coming soon, I was wondering what kind of shot is out there?
>
> Visit www.sportbowling.com - that'll give you the desired info.
>
> NOTE: there isn't "one" Sport Bowling oil patern, but many that conform
> to the specification. The one(s) you may encounter WILL be a definite
> change from what the Typical House Shot is. :)

I have been on that site numerous times and was looking at the different oil
patterns and specifications.

The problem is, I do not know much about how a ball reacts on different
patterns
since I normally try to figure out at the lane itself. I see the obvious
differences from
the diagrams but I was wondering what it was like from a "feel" experience.

Heck, maybe I am asking an unanswerable question until I get to bowl on the
shot
myself.

thanks,

moncho




 
Date: 28 Jun 2005 11:24:48
From: moncho
Subject: Re: Sport shot

"duffer" <badgolfer2000@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:eH%ve.364845$cg1.259881@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> Winter league average...........222 composite
> Sport shot average...............175
>
> Difference..........the sport shot is actually fun.............except for
> the other 30 people in the league who actually think that they are really
> 200+ averages.
>
> Confucious Say.............The lane man giveth and the lane man taketh
> away.
>
> Actually watched a mega cranker shoot 320 last week. High game of 111. No
> attempt to move, just crank harder. Not a clue as too what the game is
> about. 3 games, missed the headpin 22 times. Bitched all night.
>
> He will be back this week with 4 new balls, all drilled for max
> aggressiveness. Pro shops should love sport shots.

Being interested in sport bowling but no leagues within a 100 mile radius,
though I hear they are
coming soon, I was wondering what kind of shot is out there?

Me - Lefty with a 15 lb Dynothane Anomaly

I stand with right foot on board 25, last row of dots, walk straight (I try
to stay straight), shoot over
board 10/11 at about 14 mph. Ball normally comes up rather nicely with the
house shot which is
medium to heavy oil. Current average is 201 - 203 in three different
houses/leagues.

I would expect to shoot less in a sport league but does it seem that the
ball does not come up on the
back end and the person should just play a straight shot?

I hope by fall there will be a league around here but who knows, would love
to give it a try.

moncho




 
Date: 27 Jun 2005 23:03:58
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Sport shot
> He will be back this week with 4 new balls, all drilled for max
> aggressiveness. Pro shops should love sport shots.

Boy, will he be surprised when NONE of those balls gives hime any
"improvement"! too bad many of those "200+ averagers" are too dense to
realize they need some COACHING on how to deal with a Sport (or
equivalent) shot. :)



  
Date: 28 Jun 2005 19:51:08
From: Michael W. Lee
Subject: Re: Sport shot
The problem with a lot of the 200+ bowlers, they think they already know
everything there is to know about how to bowl. No matter what you tell most
of these people, their response is something in the line of "I know what I
am doing" or "Who are you to tell me how to bowl?". I average a little over
200 on Sport conditions and tougher, while listening to other people's
advice, using what they tell me and actually practicing. The key to doing
well on any condition is being able to adjust. A lot of bowlers think that
adjusting means moving left or right on the approach and/or lane. We all
know that there is more to it than that.

Michael

"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message
news:1119938638.075813.72430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> He will be back this week with 4 new balls, all drilled for max
>> aggressiveness. Pro shops should love sport shots.
>
> Boy, will he be surprised when NONE of those balls gives hime any
> "improvement"! too bad many of those "200+ averagers" are too dense to
> realize they need some COACHING on how to deal with a Sport (or
> equivalent) shot. :)
>




   
Date: 29 Jun 2005 13:51:23
From: moncho
Subject: Re: Sport shot

"Michael W. Lee" <mwlee63@cableone.net > wrote in message
news:11c3s3ingc6r742@corp.supernews.com...
> The problem with a lot of the 200+ bowlers, they think they already know
> everything there is to know about how to bowl. No matter what you tell
> most of these people, their response is something in the line of "I know
> what I am doing" or "Who are you to tell me how to bowl?". I average a
> little over 200 on Sport conditions and tougher, while listening to other
> people's advice, using what they tell me and actually practicing. The key
> to doing well on any condition is being able to adjust. A lot of bowlers
> think that adjusting means moving left or right on the approach and/or
> lane. We all know that there is more to it than that.

When I run into other 200+ bowlers with this type of attitude, I always ask
them
why their average isn't 10 pins higher. They normally do not have a
response to
the question, just excuses.

I then mention if they have learned how to read oil patterns (currently
trying to understand
this myself) or whether they know how to adjust the pressure on different
parts of their fingers
and thumb to change revs on the ball.

After asking a couple of those questions, they then try to make fun of me
because
their average is higher than mine. Also, they cannot admit they do not know
everything.

I just tell them that my biggest problems are my approach to the line,
keeping my speed in
check and not slouching at the line there by decreasing my lift affecting
the rotation and amount
of revs (currently working on these items). I have many other problems but
I have to start
somewhere.

moncho