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Date: 27 Jun 2005 23:10:02
From: duffer
Subject: Sport shot
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Winter league average...........222 composite Sport shot average...............175 Difference..........the sport shot is actually fun.............except for the other 30 people in the league who actually think that they are really 200+ averages. Confucious Say.............The lane man giveth and the lane man taketh away. Actually watched a mega cranker shoot 320 last week. High game of 111. No attempt to move, just crank harder. Not a clue as too what the game is about. 3 games, missed the headpin 22 times. Bitched all night. He will be back this week with 4 new balls, all drilled for max aggressiveness. Pro shops should love sport shots.
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Date: 28 Jun 2005 14:04:39
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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> Heck, maybe I am asking an unanswerable question until I get to bowl on the > shot myself. That is correct, grasshopper - you need to "experience the thrill, etc." personally. I can tell you this: on a "typical house shot" you have 3-5 boards of "leeway" from your target and can still get a strike. On a Sport (or similar) shot, you're lucky to have 1-2 boards "leeway", and even then you STILL have to be VERY ACCURATE on your speed, revs, etc. or else your ball will totally miss the pocket or otherwise leave Something Very Nasty after it hits the pins. IOW, Sport Bowling IS NOT something for the "faint of heart." :)
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Date: 28 Jun 2005 22:23:29
From: Mark D
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message news:1119992679.219488.60920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Heck, maybe I am asking an unanswerable question until I get to bowl on >> the >> shot myself. > > That is correct, grasshopper - you need to "experience the thrill, > etc." personally. > > I can tell you this: on a "typical house shot" you have 3-5 boards of > "leeway" from your target and can still get a strike. On a Sport (or > similar) shot, you're lucky to have 1-2 boards "leeway", and even then > you STILL have to be VERY ACCURATE on your speed, revs, etc. or else > your ball will totally miss the pocket or otherwise leave Something > Very Nasty after it hits the pins. > > IOW, Sport Bowling IS NOT something for the "faint of heart." :) Man, that is the truth! I just got done with our Sport Trios league, and I suck! 145, 174, 178, 128 which is pretty average for a first timer on sport shot. After a session with a coach earlier this year, I was averaging 190-200 on house shots. Right now my sport avg is 164, after tonight it'll probably drop to about 159-160. I get more pissed at myself than anything. Your own mistakes show you to your face what happens with bad shots. Faint of heart and the ones that get pissed off and throw things, hit things etc., will have their heads explode. But if you are able to learn and don't have a problem with humility, it is an EXCELLENT, learning experience. Mark D.
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Date: 29 Jun 2005 10:24:06
From: moncho
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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"Mark D" <5downings@comcast.net > wrote in message news:rqKdnQ1qPvO1iV_fRVn-hw@comcast.com... > > "PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com> wrote in message > news:1119992679.219488.60920@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >>> Heck, maybe I am asking an unanswerable question until I get to bowl on >>> the >>> shot myself. >> >> That is correct, grasshopper - you need to "experience the thrill, >> etc." personally. >> >> I can tell you this: on a "typical house shot" you have 3-5 boards of >> "leeway" from your target and can still get a strike. On a Sport (or >> similar) shot, you're lucky to have 1-2 boards "leeway", and even then >> you STILL have to be VERY ACCURATE on your speed, revs, etc. or else >> your ball will totally miss the pocket or otherwise leave Something >> Very Nasty after it hits the pins. >> >> IOW, Sport Bowling IS NOT something for the "faint of heart." :) > > > Man, that is the truth! I just got done with our Sport Trios league, and > I suck! > 145, 174, 178, 128 which is pretty average for a first timer on sport > shot. After > a session with a coach earlier this year, I was averaging 190-200 on house > shots. > Right now my sport avg is 164, after tonight it'll probably drop to about > 159-160. > > I get more pissed at myself than anything. Your own mistakes show you to > your > face what happens with bad shots. Faint of heart and the ones that get > pissed off > and throw things, hit things etc., will have their heads explode. But if > you are able > to learn and don't have a problem with humility, it is an EXCELLENT, > learning > experience. That is what I was thinking about. I am willing to accept the fact that I will be lucky to hit 160's or so. Atleast in a Sport bowling league you can expect to face a difficult shot but I hate the fact on a regular league when some lanes have a normal house shot and you are stuck on the lanes when the oiling machine went nuts and lays a high oil shot on your lane. This happened to me during a singles tournament of our 2nd to last week of our league. Both teams on this pair of lanes complained but nothing was done about it. I look at it this way, if I know the shot will be harder than any other I am use to, I have to expect certain situations to happen. For those who join a sport league and complain, they should up and leave anyway. Thanks for the info. I guess for now, I will just sit and wait. moncho
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Date: 28 Jun 2005 07:27:15
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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> Being interested in sport bowling but no leagues within a 100 mile radius, > though I hear they are > coming soon, I was wondering what kind of shot is out there? Visit www.sportbowling.com - that'll give you the desired info. NOTE: there isn't "one" Sport Bowling oil patern, but many that conform to the specification. The one(s) you may encounter WILL be a definite change from what the Typical House Shot is. :)
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Date: 28 Jun 2005 14:44:00
From: moncho
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message news:1119968835.319992.195670@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... >> Being interested in sport bowling but no leagues within a 100 mile >> radius, >> though I hear they are >> coming soon, I was wondering what kind of shot is out there? > > Visit www.sportbowling.com - that'll give you the desired info. > > NOTE: there isn't "one" Sport Bowling oil patern, but many that conform > to the specification. The one(s) you may encounter WILL be a definite > change from what the Typical House Shot is. :) I have been on that site numerous times and was looking at the different oil patterns and specifications. The problem is, I do not know much about how a ball reacts on different patterns since I normally try to figure out at the lane itself. I see the obvious differences from the diagrams but I was wondering what it was like from a "feel" experience. Heck, maybe I am asking an unanswerable question until I get to bowl on the shot myself. thanks, moncho
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Date: 28 Jun 2005 11:24:48
From: moncho
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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"duffer" <badgolfer2000@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:eH%ve.364845$cg1.259881@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > Winter league average...........222 composite > Sport shot average...............175 > > Difference..........the sport shot is actually fun.............except for > the other 30 people in the league who actually think that they are really > 200+ averages. > > Confucious Say.............The lane man giveth and the lane man taketh > away. > > Actually watched a mega cranker shoot 320 last week. High game of 111. No > attempt to move, just crank harder. Not a clue as too what the game is > about. 3 games, missed the headpin 22 times. Bitched all night. > > He will be back this week with 4 new balls, all drilled for max > aggressiveness. Pro shops should love sport shots. Being interested in sport bowling but no leagues within a 100 mile radius, though I hear they are coming soon, I was wondering what kind of shot is out there? Me - Lefty with a 15 lb Dynothane Anomaly I stand with right foot on board 25, last row of dots, walk straight (I try to stay straight), shoot over board 10/11 at about 14 mph. Ball normally comes up rather nicely with the house shot which is medium to heavy oil. Current average is 201 - 203 in three different houses/leagues. I would expect to shoot less in a sport league but does it seem that the ball does not come up on the back end and the person should just play a straight shot? I hope by fall there will be a league around here but who knows, would love to give it a try. moncho
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Date: 27 Jun 2005 23:03:58
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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> He will be back this week with 4 new balls, all drilled for max > aggressiveness. Pro shops should love sport shots. Boy, will he be surprised when NONE of those balls gives hime any "improvement"! too bad many of those "200+ averagers" are too dense to realize they need some COACHING on how to deal with a Sport (or equivalent) shot. :)
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Date: 28 Jun 2005 19:51:08
From: Michael W. Lee
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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The problem with a lot of the 200+ bowlers, they think they already know everything there is to know about how to bowl. No matter what you tell most of these people, their response is something in the line of "I know what I am doing" or "Who are you to tell me how to bowl?". I average a little over 200 on Sport conditions and tougher, while listening to other people's advice, using what they tell me and actually practicing. The key to doing well on any condition is being able to adjust. A lot of bowlers think that adjusting means moving left or right on the approach and/or lane. We all know that there is more to it than that. Michael "PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message news:1119938638.075813.72430@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com... >> He will be back this week with 4 new balls, all drilled for max >> aggressiveness. Pro shops should love sport shots. > > Boy, will he be surprised when NONE of those balls gives hime any > "improvement"! too bad many of those "200+ averagers" are too dense to > realize they need some COACHING on how to deal with a Sport (or > equivalent) shot. :) >
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Date: 29 Jun 2005 13:51:23
From: moncho
Subject: Re: Sport shot
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"Michael W. Lee" <mwlee63@cableone.net > wrote in message news:11c3s3ingc6r742@corp.supernews.com... > The problem with a lot of the 200+ bowlers, they think they already know > everything there is to know about how to bowl. No matter what you tell > most of these people, their response is something in the line of "I know > what I am doing" or "Who are you to tell me how to bowl?". I average a > little over 200 on Sport conditions and tougher, while listening to other > people's advice, using what they tell me and actually practicing. The key > to doing well on any condition is being able to adjust. A lot of bowlers > think that adjusting means moving left or right on the approach and/or > lane. We all know that there is more to it than that. When I run into other 200+ bowlers with this type of attitude, I always ask them why their average isn't 10 pins higher. They normally do not have a response to the question, just excuses. I then mention if they have learned how to read oil patterns (currently trying to understand this myself) or whether they know how to adjust the pressure on different parts of their fingers and thumb to change revs on the ball. After asking a couple of those questions, they then try to make fun of me because their average is higher than mine. Also, they cannot admit they do not know everything. I just tell them that my biggest problems are my approach to the line, keeping my speed in check and not slouching at the line there by decreasing my lift affecting the rotation and amount of revs (currently working on these items). I have many other problems but I have to start somewhere. moncho
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