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Date: 15 Jan 2009 07:01:39
From:
Subject: Palm pad or plate in bowling gloves
Many gloves/wrist supports include a pad or plate on the palm that
positions the ball more toward the fingers, away from the thumb.
Forgive my ignorance, but what is this meant to accomplish? I've
removed the palm plate from my own wrist support (Columbia300
"Classic"), but I'm having a real problem with topping/suitcasing the
ball and I'm thinking of putting it back in, to see if perhaps it
could help train my hand to be in the correct position.




 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:49:35
From:
Subject: Re: Palm pad or plate in bowling gloves
Thanks for the replies! I'm definitely going to give those drills a
try!

As for the wrist support, I played around with putting the palm plate
in and taking it out, just to check out the feel. I liked the way the
rounded end of the plate filled the gap between the lower side of my
palm and the ball, but I didn't like the way it felt otherwise. Then I
got an idea... I removed the plate and stuffed about six cotton balls
into the "pocket" where it goes over the palm. This gives me a nice
soft pad to fill in the gap without the restrictive feeling of the
metal bracket. It's not terribly unlike the old "Don Carter" glove, if
you remember those. I used it in league last night and it felt great!
Now I understand the reasoning behind putting a pad there to fill in
that gap, it gives you more of a sensation of the ball sitting in your
palm and a better feeling of control.

I've also started putting my hand completely under the ball at stance,
which is giving me better results than starting off with the hand
partly on the side of the ball like I used to.


 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 20:09:26
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Palm pad or plate in bowling gloves
> I printed out and did those drills back then, and they really helped!
> Especially the one for balance at the line. =A0I was having a problem
> getting my right leg swung to the left behind my left, sliding, leg at my
> release. =A0Thanks Prompt! =A0I am going to pull them out this week and
> work on some of those drills....

Thank you for the positive feedback. :)


 
Date: 15 Jan 2009 15:34:36
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Palm pad or plate in bowling gloves
> Many gloves/wrist supports include a pad or plate on the palm that
> positions the ball more toward the fingers, away from the thumb.
> Forgive my ignorance, but what is this meant to accomplish? I've
> removed the palm plate from my own wrist support (Columbia300
> "Classic"), but I'm having a real problem with topping/suitcasing the
> ball and I'm thinking of putting it back in, to see if perhaps it
> could help train my hand to be in the correct position.

The idea of the "palm plate" is to, indeed, position the ball more
towards the "outside" of the palm so it'll roll off the hand a little
easier. The "Robby's" wrist support is the most known for this
feature (they developed it, from what I understand).

For many people, it works just fine; for others it doesn't (like
yourself). As you've discovered, many of the "palm plates" can be
removed by the user.

To answer your final question: you'll need a Certified Coach to
identify the primary reason ** WHY ** you're "topping" the ball @
release. My initial "gut feeling" is your ball isn't drilled "exactly
right", resulting in your THUMB "catching" the hole, rather than just
"popping out". This will cause you to rotate your arm (not wrist!) to
get the ball off the thumb, etc.

A drill you can try to overcome this is what I call the "kneeling
release", which you can do AT HOME:

1) Stand 3-4 feet in front of your living room couch, facing it.
Keep both your legs together.
2) Place your hand in your bowling ball and let your bowling arm
simply HANG by your side.
3) Now, kneel straight down (slowly and carefully!), bending your
SLIDING LEG KNEE so it points up/forward and the foot is flat on the
floor and your BOWLING SIDE KNEE is on the floor (place a pillow under
the knee if necessary), with your shin flat on the floor and the foot
behind you. IOW, your "weight" is resting on your BOWLING LEG'S KNEE.
4) If you've done this right, your BOWLING LEG'S KNEE will be fairly
close to the heel of foot of the non-bowling leg (try to get this knee
BEHIND the heel), and your bowling ball should be touching the floor
(the arm is still straight!). You should also still be in balance.
Reposition the kneeling (bowling-side) leg as required so you're in
balance.
5) Now, using JUST THE BOWLING SHOULDER, lift the ball off the floor
(i.e., a small "shrug") so it's an inch off the floor. DO NOT BEND
THE ELBOW OF THE BOWLING ARM!
6) Position your bowling arm/wrist so your fingers are DEAD STRAIGHT
BEHIND THE BALL. At this time ensure your thumb is pointing STRAIGHT
DOWN (i.e., your thumb hole is pointing straight up!) and the weight
of the ball is resting on the fingers.
7) Now, GENTLY give the ball THREE SWINGS - the ball's total front/
rear swing travel should be NO MORE than 12-14 inches! Make sure the
swing is DEAD PARALLEL to your body.
8) As the ball COMES FORWARD on the third swing, LET IT GO FROM YOUR
HAND when it reaches the BOTTOM OF THE SWING. The ball will (should?)
roll into the front of the sofa. When the ball releases, COMPLETE THE
FOLLOW-THROUGH.
9) If you've done it right, the thumb will "pop out" of the hole,
your fingers will travel STRAIGHT UP THE BACK of the ball, your arm
will follow-through STRAIGHT UP THE SIDE OF YOUR HEAD (not in front of
your face!), your palm will FACE UPWARDS to the ceiling, and the ball
will ROLL IN A STRAIGHT LINE into the sofa. If these things didn't
happen, examine where/when the ball "caught" your hand, the arm
"crossed" your face, etc. and work to correct it.

Gather the ball and repeat steps 4) through 9) (you don't have to get
off the floor) for 5 minutes. After that time, get off the floor to
stretch and take a rest. If you want, repeat the drill for another 5
minutes. Do this drill EVERY DAY until you start to "get the feel" of
the ball "falling" off the hand, the hand DOES NOT "TURN", and the
swing/follow-through is DEAD STRAIGHT. Depending on your "progress",
it can take a few days to a few WEEKS before your arm/wrist/hand
"reprogram" themselves to stop "turning" your hand/wrist/arm over the
ball AND your fingers/thumb "get the feel" of the release.

While you're doing this, get the Dick Ritger tape "The Perfect Strike
Feeling" and do the drills presented in the tape, IN THE ORDER
PRESENTED, and don't proceed to the "next section" until you're
comfortable, etc. with the drills you're working on. For the record,
I got the "kneeling release" drill from that tape... :)

Anyhoo, I hope this helps a little. FWIW, do a forum search on my
posts and look for one I made a couple of years ago where I presented
a number of swing/release drills. :)


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 21:02:35
From: Mark D.
Subject: Re: Palm pad or plate in bowling gloves

"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message
news:8035b61d-bd6e-4f8c-9e57-3827e8ec4674@n10g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> Anyhoo, I hope this helps a little. FWIW, do a forum search on my
> posts and look for one I made a couple of years ago where I presented
> a number of swing/release drills. :)

I printed out and did those drills back then, and they really helped!
Especially the one for balance at the line. I was having a problem
getting my right leg swung to the left behind my left, sliding, leg at my
release. Thanks Prompt! I am going to pull them out this week and
work on some of those drills....

Mark D





  
Date: 16 Jan 2009 05:13:35
From: Darlene Block
Subject: Re: Palm pad or plate in bowling gloves
ANOTHER REASON FOR TOPPING THE BALL IS WHEN YOU ARE TRYING TO PICK UP SPEED
AND PULL THE BALL FORWARD RATHER THAN LET THE WEIGHT OF THE BALL BRING IT
FORWARD IN A RELAXED ARM SWING. ( Excuse caps)
With a muscled swing you can turn the ball early. Then you turn it again
when you are supposed to. Two turns make your hand on top of the ball. A big
no-no.
BTW, I took the metal plate out of the palm of my Robby, had it cut down so
that it just went over the curve into my palm and put it back. I had support
on both sides of the wrist but no hump making it hard to hold onto my ball.
I have since graduated to a Pro-Release and really like it a lot. It
does take some getting used to though.
Dar

"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote ...
>> Many gloves/wrist supports include a pad or plate on the palm that
>> positions the ball more toward the fingers, away from the thumb.
>> Forgive my ignorance, but what is this meant to accomplish? I've
>> removed the palm plate from my own wrist support (Columbia300
>> "Classic"), but I'm having a real problem with topping/suitcasing the
>> ball and I'm thinking of putting it back in, to see if perhaps it
>> could help train my hand to be in the correct position.
>
> The idea of the "palm plate" is to, indeed, position the ball more
> towards the "outside" of the palm so it'll roll off the hand a little
> easier. The "Robby's" wrist support is the most known for this
> feature (they developed it, from what I understand).
>
> For many people, it works just fine; for others it doesn't (like
> yourself). As you've discovered, many of the "palm plates" can be
> removed by the user.
>
> To answer your final question: you'll need a Certified Coach to
> identify the primary reason ** WHY ** you're "topping" the ball @
> release. My initial "gut feeling" is your ball isn't drilled "exactly
> right", resulting in your THUMB "catching" the hole, rather than just
> "popping out". This will cause you to rotate your arm (not wrist!) to
> get the ball off the thumb, etc.
>
> A drill you can try to overcome this is what I call the "kneeling
> release", which you can do AT HOME:
>
> 1) Stand 3-4 feet in front of your living room couch, facing it.
> Keep both your legs together.
> 2) Place your hand in your bowling ball and let your bowling arm
> simply HANG by your side.
> 3) Now, kneel straight down (slowly and carefully!), bending your
> SLIDING LEG KNEE so it points up/forward and the foot is flat on the
> floor and your BOWLING SIDE KNEE is on the floor (place a pillow under
> the knee if necessary), with your shin flat on the floor and the foot
> behind you. IOW, your "weight" is resting on your BOWLING LEG'S KNEE.
> 4) If you've done this right, your BOWLING LEG'S KNEE will be fairly
> close to the heel of foot of the non-bowling leg (try to get this knee
> BEHIND the heel), and your bowling ball should be touching the floor
> (the arm is still straight!). You should also still be in balance.
> Reposition the kneeling (bowling-side) leg as required so you're in
> balance.
> 5) Now, using JUST THE BOWLING SHOULDER, lift the ball off the floor
> (i.e., a small "shrug") so it's an inch off the floor. DO NOT BEND
> THE ELBOW OF THE BOWLING ARM!
> 6) Position your bowling arm/wrist so your fingers are DEAD STRAIGHT
> BEHIND THE BALL. At this time ensure your thumb is pointing STRAIGHT
> DOWN (i.e., your thumb hole is pointing straight up!) and the weight
> of the ball is resting on the fingers.
> 7) Now, GENTLY give the ball THREE SWINGS - the ball's total front/
> rear swing travel should be NO MORE than 12-14 inches! Make sure the
> swing is DEAD PARALLEL to your body.
> 8) As the ball COMES FORWARD on the third swing, LET IT GO FROM YOUR
> HAND when it reaches the BOTTOM OF THE SWING. The ball will (should?)
> roll into the front of the sofa. When the ball releases, COMPLETE THE
> FOLLOW-THROUGH.
> 9) If you've done it right, the thumb will "pop out" of the hole,
> your fingers will travel STRAIGHT UP THE BACK of the ball, your arm
> will follow-through STRAIGHT UP THE SIDE OF YOUR HEAD (not in front of
> your face!), your palm will FACE UPWARDS to the ceiling, and the ball
> will ROLL IN A STRAIGHT LINE into the sofa. If these things didn't
> happen, examine where/when the ball "caught" your hand, the arm
> "crossed" your face, etc. and work to correct it.
>
> Gather the ball and repeat steps 4) through 9) (you don't have to get
> off the floor) for 5 minutes. After that time, get off the floor to
> stretch and take a rest. If you want, repeat the drill for another 5
> minutes. Do this drill EVERY DAY until you start to "get the feel" of
> the ball "falling" off the hand, the hand DOES NOT "TURN", and the
> swing/follow-through is DEAD STRAIGHT. Depending on your "progress",
> it can take a few days to a few WEEKS before your arm/wrist/hand
> "reprogram" themselves to stop "turning" your hand/wrist/arm over the
> ball AND your fingers/thumb "get the feel" of the release.
>
> While you're doing this, get the Dick Ritger tape "The Perfect Strike
> Feeling" and do the drills presented in the tape, IN THE ORDER
> PRESENTED, and don't proceed to the "next section" until you're
> comfortable, etc. with the drills you're working on. For the record,
> I got the "kneeling release" drill from that tape... :)
>
> Anyhoo, I hope this helps a little. FWIW, do a forum search on my
> posts and look for one I made a couple of years ago where I presented
> a number of swing/release drills. :)