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Date: 09 Dec 2007 19:05:45
From:
Subject: PBA event this week
Pretty fun show with a lot of bowling this week. Big fun to see Chris
Warren on TV again after a long time away from the national scence. He
looks a little older but still throws the heck out of a bowling ball.

What did y'all think of the longer format?

Mark




 
Date: 18 Dec 2007 18:59:37
From:
Subject: Re: All Lefties (spoiler on winner)
On Dec 18, 9:35 am, "GSalisbury" <salsburyg at comcast dot net > wrote:

> Being lefty I thought the show was just right! <g>

The last interesting tournament I had a chance to win a lefty stole
from me. It was pure highway robbery. I was playing around 5th arrow
at the end of a very long day of match play and he was still chucking
it up the track. Good player and a friend but I am still holding a
grudge because I don't get too many opportunites to win long block
events :-)

I have to admit that it was a really good show last week.

> I've been meaning to say that I, too, have enjoyed your stories and
> appreciate them. I think they've been well and interestingly written.
> Thanks.

Thank you - very kind. I don't bowl much anymore (once a week and some
practice) but for a while I was in the right place at the right time
to bowl a lot and it was a blast. Maybe again after retirement.

Mark



 
Date: 16 Dec 2007 18:39:24
From:
Subject: All Lefties (spoiler on winner)
Another fun show this week even if all the guys were wrong siders :)

Very nice to see PB3 get another title. Bowled with him a couple years
ago in his home house (he subbed in a PBA shot league I bowled in).
He's a super nice guy and it was tough to watch him go so long without
a title.

Mark



  
Date: 18 Dec 2007 09:35:12
From: GSalisbury
Subject: Re: All Lefties (spoiler on winner)

<2bowlers@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:dcc26255-184b-4db8-b3f8-41b18073d200@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> Another fun show this week even if all the guys were wrong siders :)
>
> Very nice to see PB3 get another title. Bowled with him a couple years
> ago in his home house (he subbed in a PBA shot league I bowled in).
> He's a super nice guy and it was tough to watch him go so long without
> a title.
>
> Mark
>
Being lefty I thought the show was just right!<g >
I've been meaning to say that I, too, have enjoyed your stories and
appreciate them.
I think they've been well and interestingly written.
Thanks.
Geo.




 
Date: 12 Dec 2007 23:29:07
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
> She might take up horseshoes and computers instead. :)
> I'm happy for all of them. This should be a very special Christmas.

I'm sure she'll play a lot of "horsey" with her Daddy... ;)


 
Date: 11 Dec 2007 23:26:52
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
> I didn't know about a daughter either. We watched the show at the lanes
> while we bowled with the sound off so I didn't hear anything. How old is
> she? She may be the reason WR is feeling so feisty. Kids can put a spring in
> your step and you know how little girls charm their daddies.
> I was wondering where Paige was.

Just got my December '07 "Bowlers Journal International" and it
mentions on pg. 19 (last 2 paragraphs) WRW and Paige ** ADOPTED ** a
girl.

I wish them well raising the girl and it wouldn't surprise me to see
her become a great bowler as well. :)


  
Date: 12 Dec 2007 19:06:09
From: Darby
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
She might take up horseshoes and computers instead. :)
I'm happy for all of them. This should be a very special Christmas.
Dar

"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote
>> I didn't know about a daughter either. We watched the show at the lanes
>> while we bowled with the sound off so I didn't hear anything. How old is
>> she? She may be the reason WR is feeling so feisty. Kids can put a spring
>> in
>> your step and you know how little girls charm their daddies.
>> I was wondering where Paige was.
>
> Just got my December '07 "Bowlers Journal International" and it
> mentions on pg. 19 (last 2 paragraphs) WRW and Paige ** ADOPTED ** a
> girl.
>
> I wish them well raising the girl and it wouldn't surprise me to see
> her become a great bowler as well. :)




 
Date: 11 Dec 2007 17:18:50
From:
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
On Dec 11, 8:13 am, "JohnO" <johno@@&%heathkit##.com > wrote:

> Great stories, and thanks for sharing them. I don't know any of these new
> (?) guys so it's good to learn something about them.

Glad you guys enjoyed the stories. I lived in San Diego in the late
1990s and bowling is amazingly popular in Southern California. Not
only was there very active ABT, NABI, JANBA and other amateur clubs
but there were sweepers all over the place, great scratch leagues and
two professional organizations for men and one for women. The PBA has
the regional program and an organization called the Professional Coast
Bowlers or PCB ran many tournaments.

I was just good enough to not be embarrassed bowling regionals and
PCBs so I did a bunch of events over a 3 year period. It was an
interesting time because there were a pile of older guys and seasoned
players with PBA national titles bowling (Mark Baker, Barry Asher,
Eric Forkel, Jim Murtishaw, Dennis Horan, etc) and a pile of young
guns on the way up. DeVaney was in this group, Jason Hurd was around,
Robert Smith, Tony Reyes, Ricky Corona, Billy Meyers Jr and Mike
Haugen to name a few.

Probably the most fun I had was crossing in a jr/sr doubles event with
Jim Murtishaw and Marv Sargent. Jim is a good friend and Marv was an
exempt touring player last year. To our left were Asher and Baker and
to our right were Corona and his partner. I haven't added up how many
national titles that is but I was just trying to keep my ball on my
lane and not screw up the double jump rule!!!

The only tournament I actually scored well in was a mixed doubles
event. We crossed with Billy Meyers and his dad was watching along
with my dad. I was about +100 for the first block and just went nuts
in the second block and shot something like 250 over for the last
five. Sadly my partner was about the same amount under and to this day
she apologizes every time I see her (very sweet lady). I'll never
forget Mr. Meyers Sr. telling me I'd bowled great on the pattern and
he liked my release. That was really special.

Another good story was my dad and I watching a senior tour event up in
Long Beach. One of my older buddies was crossing with Ernie Schlegal.
Ernie is a real character and he was having trouble all day carrying
the ten pin. I mean he was leaving 5-6 per game. But he made every one
which is why he made money bowling - good lesson there for you young
guys !

Anyway, about game 3 in the afternoon block Ernie raps a another ten
and looks like he's going to explode. It's not a good time to even
look at him, let alone say anything. When he comes back to the rail,
my dad, trying to be supportive says: "tough carry today isn't it"? I
figure Ernie is going to go nuts but instead he just needs someone to
talk to so he gets all animated as only he can, grabs his recap and
starts going through each game with my dad pointing out what his
scores should have been if the carry was remotely fair. It was
amazing. They spend the next couple games yacking back and forth,
Ernie makes the cut and I went away thinking I liked him more than I
did before because he kept my dad entertained for half a day.

Don't know if Craig Kisro still reads ASB but he bowled the same
events around the same time period and crossed with a lot of the same
guys. It was a really fun time in my bowling life.

Mark







 
Date: 10 Dec 2007 20:43:34
From:
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
WRW and PP -- They adopted a baby girl which is apparently why Paige
is MIA. You guys remember that Paige used to post to ASB. Hope they
enjoy the family.

Stoner - Give him a chance. He seem to have a genuine enthusiasm for
the game and what the guys are doing out there. I think that energy is
a good thing. Yeah he's being goofy but that's OK for now. We'll see
where he is after a full season. Yes, I pine for Anthony, Durbin and
Holman to come back adn I miss Chris and Bo but we won't see them
again.

Format - I liked it. More players and with the four-up who knows who
comes out.

DeVaney - Cool to see that you guys like Mike. I bowled with him when
he was just starting to get good and we lived in San Diego. We were
not buddies but always got along OK and bowled some of the same
events. I thought he could be a bit of a jerk sometimes and wasn't
sure he was a really a good guy or not. One event changed that. I drew
him in round one of the California Masters. He shot something like 289
- 279 at me. Just a plain beating. Mike was on his way toward the tour
and I was just a decent player. I shot 220-230. Toward the end of game
two Mike says: "Sorry to pour it on, I just want to get some bracket
money". He didn't need to say anything, and I didn't think he was
running it up, but it was a very nice of him to say that. Frankly I
never thought Mike would make it on tour but I was wrong. Root for him
when he makes the show and am happy that he's done so well.

A funny anecdote: when I first moved to SDG I started bowling in a
popular center and became good friends with the pro shop owner. One
Saturday I was bowling qualifying for the association masters. Five
games across five pairs. I was using a solid red Wolf and throwing all
Ebonite at the time. About game four my pro shop buddy (in the shop)
asks Mike how it's going. Mike told him: "Most of the guys are lost
but some dude I've never seen before throwing a Red Wolf is about 200
over". In the finals it was four guys throwing combat Zones and me. I
qualified and ended up second to a senior lefty who later became my
PBA doubles partner for regionals.

That wasn't meant to be a "look who I know" story. Just pointing out
that Mike's a decent guy and be nice to see him pick up a few more
titles since he's been bowling very well the last few years.

Mark



  
Date: 12 Dec 2007 14:02:53
From: Ron
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
I'm kind of surprised that no one has nick-named Mike DeVaney "Nueman"
- like on Sienfeld. After all, there is a slight resembelance... Ron

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 20:43:34 -0800 (PST), 2bowlers@gmail.com wrote:

>WRW and PP -- They adopted a baby girl which is apparently why Paige
>is MIA. You guys remember that Paige used to post to ASB. Hope they
>enjoy the family.
>
>Stoner - Give him a chance. He seem to have a genuine enthusiasm for
>the game and what the guys are doing out there. I think that energy is
>a good thing. Yeah he's being goofy but that's OK for now. We'll see
>where he is after a full season. Yes, I pine for Anthony, Durbin and
>Holman to come back adn I miss Chris and Bo but we won't see them
>again.
>
>Format - I liked it. More players and with the four-up who knows who
>comes out.
>
>DeVaney - Cool to see that you guys like Mike. I bowled with him when
>he was just starting to get good and we lived in San Diego. We were
>not buddies but always got along OK and bowled some of the same
>events. I thought he could be a bit of a jerk sometimes and wasn't
>sure he was a really a good guy or not. One event changed that. I drew
>him in round one of the California Masters. He shot something like 289
>- 279 at me. Just a plain beating. Mike was on his way toward the tour
>and I was just a decent player. I shot 220-230. Toward the end of game
>two Mike says: "Sorry to pour it on, I just want to get some bracket
>money". He didn't need to say anything, and I didn't think he was
>running it up, but it was a very nice of him to say that. Frankly I
>never thought Mike would make it on tour but I was wrong. Root for him
>when he makes the show and am happy that he's done so well.
>
>A funny anecdote: when I first moved to SDG I started bowling in a
>popular center and became good friends with the pro shop owner. One
>Saturday I was bowling qualifying for the association masters. Five
>games across five pairs. I was using a solid red Wolf and throwing all
>Ebonite at the time. About game four my pro shop buddy (in the shop)
>asks Mike how it's going. Mike told him: "Most of the guys are lost
>but some dude I've never seen before throwing a Red Wolf is about 200
>over". In the finals it was four guys throwing combat Zones and me. I
>qualified and ended up second to a senior lefty who later became my
>PBA doubles partner for regionals.
>
>That wasn't meant to be a "look who I know" story. Just pointing out
>that Mike's a decent guy and be nice to see him pick up a few more
>titles since he's been bowling very well the last few years.
>
>Mark


  
Date: 11 Dec 2007 08:13:00
From: JohnO
Subject: Re: PBA event this week

>
> That wasn't meant to be a "look who I know" story. Just pointing out
> that Mike's a decent guy and be nice to see him pick up a few more
> titles since he's been bowling very well the last few years.

Great stories, and thanks for sharing them. I don't know any of these new
(?) guys so it's good to learn something about them.


-John O




  
Date: 11 Dec 2007 05:51:22
From: Darby
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
That was a very interesting post. You covered several topics. The fact that
you know Mike and shared a personal moment added to the enjoyment.
Dar
<2bowlers@gmail.com > wrote
> WRW and PP -- They adopted a baby girl which is apparently why Paige
> is MIA. You guys remember that Paige used to post to ASB. Hope they
> enjoy the family.
>
> Stoner - Give him a chance. He seem to have a genuine enthusiasm for
> the game and what the guys are doing out there. I think that energy is
> a good thing. Yeah he's being goofy but that's OK for now. We'll see
> where he is after a full season. Yes, I pine for Anthony, Durbin and
> Holman to come back adn I miss Chris and Bo but we won't see them
> again.
>
> Format - I liked it. More players and with the four-up who knows who
> comes out.
>
> DeVaney - Cool to see that you guys like Mike. I bowled with him when
> he was just starting to get good and we lived in San Diego. We were
> not buddies but always got along OK and bowled some of the same
> events. I thought he could be a bit of a jerk sometimes and wasn't
> sure he was a really a good guy or not. One event changed that. I drew
> him in round one of the California Masters. He shot something like 289
> - 279 at me. Just a plain beating. Mike was on his way toward the tour
> and I was just a decent player. I shot 220-230. Toward the end of game
> two Mike says: "Sorry to pour it on, I just want to get some bracket
> money". He didn't need to say anything, and I didn't think he was
> running it up, but it was a very nice of him to say that. Frankly I
> never thought Mike would make it on tour but I was wrong. Root for him
> when he makes the show and am happy that he's done so well.
>
> A funny anecdote: when I first moved to SDG I started bowling in a
> popular center and became good friends with the pro shop owner. One
> Saturday I was bowling qualifying for the association masters. Five
> games across five pairs. I was using a solid red Wolf and throwing all
> Ebonite at the time. About game four my pro shop buddy (in the shop)
> asks Mike how it's going. Mike told him: "Most of the guys are lost
> but some dude I've never seen before throwing a Red Wolf is about 200
> over". In the finals it was four guys throwing combat Zones and me. I
> qualified and ended up second to a senior lefty who later became my
> PBA doubles partner for regionals.
>
> That wasn't meant to be a "look who I know" story. Just pointing out
> that Mike's a decent guy and be nice to see him pick up a few more
> titles since he's been bowling very well the last few years.
>
> Mark
>




 
Date: 10 Dec 2007 08:34:31
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
> I thought it was fine, although with all four on just a pair of lanes I
> thought it moved a little slowly. Of course, one thing that make it cool
> was that three of them ended up going into the 10th frame tied... If it
> had been a runaway I think it would've been really boring [because it was
> moving so slowly]. OTOH it is great to get to see more than just-four
> bowlers.

I thought it was a neat idea - reminded me of The Old Days (1960's and
1970's) of PBA sportscasting.

> Nice to see Rob Stone toning down the stupidity -- he was nearly an
> almost-tolerable announcer last night.

He still has a LONG WAY TO GO to escape his "ignorant clown" status.
The crack about Randy's weight while he was going on about "What
nickname shall we give Randy" was VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and TOTALLY
UNCALLED FOR! If anyone here hasn't sent an "onion letter" to ESPN
about Stone yet, you need to do so ASAP so they (ESPN) can "get the
message" about the viewer dissastisfaction with Rob Stone....

I want DAVE RYAN back - at least he honestly worked at being
knowledgable about Bowling!

> I'm wondering: why's Walter Ray doing so well this year. He is always "in
> the hunt" but all of a sudden he's lapping the rest of the pack and
> dominating?

It looked like he "threw a fetlock, etc." in the "shootout". Poor
guy: 10 pocket hits and no carry...

I also feel sorry for DeVaney and Malott: both got "stung by the
scorpion's tail" because of where they were playing. DeVaney first,
then Malott - both were rolling their balls through the "oil tip" of
the pattern (i.e., the Scorpion's "stinger") which is probably why
they lost their carry. P.A., OTOH, had "virgin territory" because
there was only one other left-winger (Rhino Page - we're gonna see
more of that kid! :) ) and things didn't get "messed-up" for him.

Otherwise, congrats to P.A. for win #10.


  
Date: 10 Dec 2007 20:00:21
From: Ron
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
I agree that Rob Stone is certainly not knowledgeable either about
bowling or about the bowlers. He can't pronounce half of the bowlers'
names. Who is he anyway? Is he related to someone at ESPN? That's the
only way that I can see he got that job.

Anyway, great bowling Mike DeVaney! You should have won... Ron

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 08:34:31 -0800 (PST), PromptJock
<102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote:

>> I thought it was fine, although with all four on just a pair of lanes I
>> thought it moved a little slowly. Of course, one thing that make it cool
>> was that three of them ended up going into the 10th frame tied... If it
>> had been a runaway I think it would've been really boring [because it was
>> moving so slowly]. OTOH it is great to get to see more than just-four
>> bowlers.
>
>I thought it was a neat idea - reminded me of The Old Days (1960's and
>1970's) of PBA sportscasting.
>
>> Nice to see Rob Stone toning down the stupidity -- he was nearly an
>> almost-tolerable announcer last night.
>
>He still has a LONG WAY TO GO to escape his "ignorant clown" status.
>The crack about Randy's weight while he was going on about "What
>nickname shall we give Randy" was VERY UNPROFESSIONAL and TOTALLY
>UNCALLED FOR! If anyone here hasn't sent an "onion letter" to ESPN
>about Stone yet, you need to do so ASAP so they (ESPN) can "get the
>message" about the viewer dissastisfaction with Rob Stone....
>
>I want DAVE RYAN back - at least he honestly worked at being
>knowledgable about Bowling!
>
>> I'm wondering: why's Walter Ray doing so well this year. He is always "in
>> the hunt" but all of a sudden he's lapping the rest of the pack and
>> dominating?
>
>It looked like he "threw a fetlock, etc." in the "shootout". Poor
>guy: 10 pocket hits and no carry...
>
>I also feel sorry for DeVaney and Malott: both got "stung by the
>scorpion's tail" because of where they were playing. DeVaney first,
>then Malott - both were rolling their balls through the "oil tip" of
>the pattern (i.e., the Scorpion's "stinger") which is probably why
>they lost their carry. P.A., OTOH, had "virgin territory" because
>there was only one other left-winger (Rhino Page - we're gonna see
>more of that kid! :) ) and things didn't get "messed-up" for him.
>
>Otherwise, congrats to P.A. for win #10.


 
Date: 10 Dec 2007 07:30:09
From: Bernie Cosell
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
2bowlers@gmail.com wrote:

} What did y'all think of the longer format?

I thought it was fine, although with all four on just a pair of lanes I
thought it moved a little slowly. Of course, one thing that make it cool
was that three of them ended up going into the 10th frame tied... If it
had been a runaway I think it would've been really boring [because it was
moving so slowly]. OTOH it is great to get to see more than just-four
bowlers.

I was surprised to hear that Walter and Paige have a daughter -- has that
been mentioned at all on any of the [many] shows he's appeared on? It'd
account for Paige not being in the audience..:o)

Speaking of which: it'd be nice if ESPN acknowledged the folks in the
audience. I've seen Carmen Salvino several times and I figure that that'd
be worthy of mention.

Nice to see Rob Stone toning down the stupidity -- he was nearly an
almost-tolerable announcer last night.

I'm wondering: why's Walter Ray doing so well this year. He is always "in
the hunt" but all of a sudden he's lapping the rest of the pack and
dominating?

/Bernie\

--
Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
bernie@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
-- > Too many people, too few sheep <--


  
Date: 10 Dec 2007 16:20:56
From: Mark D.
Subject: Re: PBA event this week

"Bernie Cosell" <bernie@fantasyfarm.com > wrote in message
news:pnbql3pkbuhd94tvigj35jchjsd8cr2fp6@library.airnews.net...
> 2bowlers@gmail.com wrote:
>
> } What did y'all think of the longer format?
>
> I thought it was fine, although with all four on just a pair of lanes I
> thought it moved a little slowly. Of course, one thing that make it cool
> was that three of them ended up going into the 10th frame tied... If it
> had been a runaway I think it would've been really boring [because it was
> moving so slowly]. OTOH it is great to get to see more than just-four
> bowlers.
>
> I was surprised to hear that Walter and Paige have a daughter -- has that
> been mentioned at all on any of the [many] shows he's appeared on? It'd
> account for Paige not being in the audience..:o)
>
> Speaking of which: it'd be nice if ESPN acknowledged the folks in the
> audience. I've seen Carmen Salvino several times and I figure that that'd
> be worthy of mention.
>
> Nice to see Rob Stone toning down the stupidity -- he was nearly an
> almost-tolerable announcer last night.
>
> I'm wondering: why's Walter Ray doing so well this year. He is always "in
> the hunt" but all of a sudden he's lapping the rest of the pack and
> dominating?
>
> /Bernie\

I was pleasantly surprised with the format. Hope they do it again! With
the
ladies done for now it was nice to have some more bowling action in the
show. I thought it was one of the best shows of the season. After Randy
either breaks in Stone or gets rid of him, I think we need to lighten up on
the boy. We all were newbies at one time...;-)

I as well was wondering why Paige wasn't making any of the shows. Now we
know why! Sometimes having a kid changes your perspective on things. Maybe
that's what kicked Walter into ass kicking mode this season!

Mark D.





  
Date: 10 Dec 2007 18:31:04
From: Darby
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
I didn't know about a daughter either. We watched the show at the lanes
while we bowled with the sound off so I didn't hear anything. How old is
she? She may be the reason WR is feeling so feisty. Kids can put a spring in
your step and you know how little girls charm their daddies.
I was wondering where Paige was.
Dar
"Bernie Cosell" <bernie@fantasyfarm.com >wrote:
>
> } What did y'all think of the longer format?
>
> I thought it was fine, although with all four on just a pair of lanes I
> thought it moved a little slowly. Of course, one thing that make it cool
> was that three of them ended up going into the 10th frame tied... If it
> had been a runaway I think it would've been really boring [because it was
> moving so slowly]. OTOH it is great to get to see more than just-four
> bowlers.
>
> I was surprised to hear that Walter and Paige have a daughter -- has that
> been mentioned at all on any of the [many] shows he's appeared on? It'd
> account for Paige not being in the audience..:o)
>
> Speaking of which: it'd be nice if ESPN acknowledged the folks in the
> audience. I've seen Carmen Salvino several times and I figure that that'd
> be worthy of mention.
>
> Nice to see Rob Stone toning down the stupidity -- he was nearly an
> almost-tolerable announcer last night.
>
> I'm wondering: why's Walter Ray doing so well this year. He is always "in
> the hunt" but all of a sudden he's lapping the rest of the pack and
> dominating?
>
> /Bernie\
>
> --
> Bernie Cosell Fantasy Farm Fibers
> bernie@fantasyfarm.com Pearisburg, VA
> --> Too many people, too few sheep <--




   
Date: 10 Dec 2007 16:40:28
From: JohnO
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
> Kids can put a spring in your step and you know how little girls charm
> their daddies.

LOL, I don't remember the little ones doing that to me...until their mom was
again ready for what caused the kid in the first place. I think that
happened after they were about five years old and could sleep through the
night. :-)

But whatever it is for Walter Ray, it's good to see him doing well.

-John O




 
Date: 10 Dec 2007 05:07:43
From: Darby
Subject: Re: PBA event this week
I tried to keep an eye on it but we were bowling and then things started
distracting me. I'm league secretary and a team came asking for help to take
out one of their bowlers. His pacemaker went haywire on the prior frame. 911
had been called and he was sitting there looking really scared while he
waited.
The format confused me too, but they had the sound turned off so I
didn't hear any explanation of what they were doing.
Dar

<2bowlers@gmail.com > wrote in message
> Pretty fun show with a lot of bowling this week. Big fun to see Chris
> Warren on TV again after a long time away from the national scence. He
> looks a little older but still throws the heck out of a bowling ball.
>
> What did y'all think of the longer format?
>
> Mark