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Date: 16 Feb 2007 05:20:20
From: litefrozen
Subject: Help keep Tracks Great Ball cleaning products
Theres been talk about Ebonite dropping Tracks great cleaning and polishing products. Like "Clean-N-Dull"
Help try to keep them available. email ebonite and tell them they should keep them.
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Date: 18 Feb 2007 10:51:54
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: Help keep Tracks Great Ball cleaning products
I have recieved two e-mails from ebonite in response to my original
e-mail asking them to not discontinue the clean&dull product. one e-mail
said they would pass along the info to the new product manager when they
hire one, and the other wanted to know the difference between clean&dull
and ebonite powerhouse energizer.



  
Date: 21 Feb 2007 05:08:50
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: Help keep Tracks Great Ball cleaning products
In article <16966-45D8A04A-16@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net >, Shawn Robertson <spr27@webtv.net> wrote:

> I have recieved two e-mails from ebonite in response to my original
> e-mail asking them to not discontinue the clean&dull product. one e-mail
> said they would pass along the info to the new product manager when they
> hire one, and the other wanted to know the difference between clean&dull
> and ebonite powerhouse energizer.
>
I compared the two after league tonight. Did half the ball with powerhouse and half with C&D. The ball had a fresh dull surface (green scotch brite),put 3 games on it. The was well coated with oil and grime.

Sprayed PH on half let it soak in about a minute.
Wiped ball with paper towel for about2 minutes got alot of stuff off. Ball was cleaner but was not as dull and had visible oil track lines still on it.
I applied another coat of PH same procedure none to little change.Just a little tack feeling to coverstock.

Now on the other half I used C&D and a paper towel. No soak time.
Wiped ball with paper towel and C&D for about 2 minutes.

It Removed all oil & grime plus the oil track lines and the ball was Dull! just like it started the night and it did it in one pass.The coverstock muck tacker feel than the PH side.

Powerhouse is a ok citrus based cleaner, but cant beat Clean'N Dull or Hook-IT.


   
Date: 20 Feb 2007 22:07:09
From: Shawn Robertson
Subject: Re: Help keep Tracks Great Ball cleaning products (litefrozen)
you should send your comparison to the ebonite reps. especially pam
buckner, she seemed very interested.



    
Date: 21 Feb 2007 19:07:55
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: Help keep Tracks Great Ball cleaning products (litefrozen)
In article <5475-45DBE18D-703@storefull-3315.bay.webtv.net >, Shawn Robertson <spr27@webtv.net> wrote:

> you should send your comparison to the ebonite reps. especially pam
> buckner, she seemed very interested.
>
OK I sent her this.-

Hi,

I was told you asked what the difference between Energizer and Clean'N Dull was. An I should share my opinion with you. Well here it is.
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Ebonite Powerhouse-Energizer Cleaner
-VS-
Track Clean'N Dull

Balls used in test-
Ball#1-A Track EMB with the coverstock freshly dulled with a green Scotchbrite.
Ball#2-A Ebonite NitroR2 Classic with the coverstock freshly Dulled to 600grit.

Ball condition at time of test-
Ball#1 was used for 3 games in a night Mixed league. After the league the ball was shiny with oil and a normal amount of grime & dirt. The ball sat for 30 minutes before cleaning.

Ball#2 was used for 3 games in a night Men's league. After the league the ball was shiny with oil and a normal amount of grime & dirt. The ball sat for a week before cleaning. The oil now had been absorbed and surface dirty.

Cleaning procedure used-(This was done without a ball spinner.)
Cleaner was applied to half the ball and allowed to soak in 30-45 sec. Then rubbed in by hand with a papertowel until cleaned and then allowed to dry. A 2nd application would be used if needed.

What was looked for from product-
Cleaning ability,Ball dullness and amount of tacky feel as compared to the fresh surface of the ball. Tacky feel is rated "No tack 1"-"5 Most tack"

The Results-
Ball#1-Energizer Cleaner was applied to the 1st half of the ball and it removed from the surface most of the visible oil & grime.
The coverstock had a slight shine to it and oil lines could still be seen in the track area. Tacky feel rated "2"
A 2nd application was used and a little more grime seemed to be removed.The coverstock still had a slight shine to it and oil lines could still be seen in the track area. Tacky feel rated "3"

Next Track Clean'N Dull was applied to the other half of ball#1 and it removed all of the visible oil & grime. The coverstock dullness was returned to the freshly dulled condition. Also no oil lines were visible in the track area. Tacky feel rated "5". No 2nd application needed

Ball#2-Energizer Cleaner was applied to the 1st half of the ball and it removed from the surface most of the visible dirt grime.
The coverstock had a slight shine to it and oil lines could still be seen in the track area. Tacky feel rated "3"
A 2nd application was used and no more grime seemed to be removed.The coverstock still had a slight shine to it and oil lines could still be seen in the track area. Tacky feel rated "3"

Next Track Clean'N Dull was applied to the other half of ball#2 and it removed all of the visible grime. The coverstock dullness was returned to the freshly dulled condition. Also no oil lines were visible in the track area. Tacky feel rated "5". No 2nd application needed.

Conclusion-
Ebonite Powerhouse Energizer Cleaner is a good citrus based ball surface cleaner and is a easy to use spray. It removes most surface oil and grime. But does not draw out oil from the coverstock well (The visible oil lines left).

Track Clean'N Dull is a excellent surface cleaner and is a easy to use gel.It removes all surface oil and grime and It draws the oil out of the coverstock very well. (No visible oil lines left).

Ebonite Powerhouse Energizer Cleaner makes a good quick to use cleaner, But Clean'N Dull is a better deep cleaner. Which would give the ball longer life do to the ability to draw more oil out of the coverstock.
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This is why I think Ebonite should keep the Track products around.
Thank You


     
Date: 21 Feb 2007 20:56:49
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: Help keep Tracks Great Ball cleaning products (litefrozen)
Got a reply back from pam all ready.

"Thank you so much for your testing of both products, your feedback is
important to us and I will pass this on to the powers to be.
Building the Best Brands in Bowling,
Pam Buckner
Pacific Northwest District Sales Manager"


  
Date: 18 Feb 2007 22:52:29
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: Help keep Tracks Great Ball cleaning products
In article <16966-45D8A04A-16@storefull-3312.bay.webtv.net >, Shawn Robertson <spr27@webtv.net> wrote:

> I have recieved two e-mails from ebonite in response to my original
> e-mail asking them to not discontinue the clean&dull product. one e-mail
> said they would pass along the info to the new product manager when they
> hire one, and the other wanted to know the difference between clean&dull
> and ebonite powerhouse energizer.
>
I got one back from them-

So far nothing has been dropped. All products will be reviewed before any deletions.
Thank you for your input, I will pass it along.

John Gaines
Ebonite Southeast
Sales Manager
jgaines@ebonite.com

> and the other wanted to know the difference between clean&dull
> and ebonite powerhouse energizer.

One big difference is CnD is more a gel. This allows it to coat and sit on the coverstock better, so it can penetrate deeper.
Ebonites PH is a ok spray cleaner for that quick clean up.