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Date: 27 Aug 2007 18:48:46
From: PromptJock
Subject: Help from the "moderators" here?
Is there anyone in this Newsgroup who has the authority to DELETE all
the "MI5..." crap? if not, is there a way for Google Groups to do this
AND put that clown on some sort of "posting not allowed, etc." status
for this room?

the same request(s) can also go for all other "promotional, etc." crap
that manages to, unfortuately, appear here...





 
Date: 01 Sep 2007 08:39:07
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Sep 1, 12:55 am, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:

> This reminds me of when Bulletin Board Systems (BBS) were the rage
> using DOS and other "old gear", accessed via dial-up modems (remember
> when 4800 baud was considered "high-speed"?).

Heh, I remember using a VT100 dumb terminal with an acoustic coupled
modem at 300 baud to get into our university VAX system. By PhD time
I'd upgraded to 50+ kbaud and I had a VT220. My PC at the time was an
original dual floppy IBM PC/AT *with* a color monitor. Good enough to
word process on and play a few games.

Something really interesting was the amateur radio packet radio work
going on in the mid-1980s. With a very modest computer and a VHF rig
you could tap into a BBS system that was very much like what emerged
on the internet backbone several years later. Pretty fun to play
around with. It's literally amzing to me that "only" 20 years later
you can have a world of information at your fingertips. If you like
this stuff and haven't tried one yet go to an Apple store and get an
iPhone demo.

> Wonder what will replace them in 5 years or so? :)

I think the web based forums are going to be around for a long time.
They are easy to use, can be moderated / administrated easily, and
folks seem to like them. Witness that we are still using USENET for
this discussion (albeit an OT one) and you can see how information
sharing systems really do have long lives as long as folks find value.

I think one thing that will change in a big way in media is that folks
will be sharing much more video in the future. You Tube is just the
start of this. Mainstream video media doesn't deliver content that is
appealing to a lot of folks so there is room for internet based
distribution of "amateur" and low cost proffessional video.

For example, I'd pay a couple bucks to watch decent footage of USBC
Masters qualifying and other big tournaments that are not on TV. I'm
also big into bike racing and I'd pay a few dollars to see decent
footage of the European races. All it takes there is for the Euro
stations that broadcast the events to plug the feed into the net.

Such a wonderous world :-)

For those of you still paying per download I apologize for being OT.

Mark




 
Date: 31 Aug 2007 21:55:01
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Aug 30, 4:23 pm, "Jim Doran" <j-k-doran(spamremover)@tx.rr.com >
wrote:
> "Mark" <twobowl...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1188357202.377834.310620@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Fast forward another 7-8 years to today and bowling discussions are
> > still ongoing on the web but more so in web forums such as those on
> > ballreviews.com ASB is pretty quiet now but there are still a lot of
> > lurkers from the old days. We'll see what the next ten years brings :)
>
> > Mark
>
> Guess I'm considered one of those lurkers. Check in about once a
> week to see if there is anything interesting to reply to and to see if
> Mark has moved again. He always seems to be one step ahead of
> me when I think I might have a chance to meet him.
>
> My teammate and I did pick up on one of the local association
> teams, Mark, but thank you for the offer to bowl with the ASB
> teams. After 24 years of bowling 'convention week' we've moved
> to late April. Don't know if we can post pics on ASB but I'll sure
> have one of me and my 25 year plaque available. 8 x 10 glossy,
> signed for a small fee plus S & H.
>
> Jim D

This reminds me of when Bulletin Board Systems (BBS) were the rage
using DOS and other "old gear", accessed via dial-up modems (remember
when 4800 baud was considered "high-speed"?).

Nowadays, BBS-based systems are long-gone and, as mentioned, Moderated
Web-based Newsgroups are where "like-minded" people congregate to
discuss their passions.

Wonder what will replace them in 5 years or so? :)



 
Date: 30 Aug 2007 18:16:42
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Aug 30, 7:23 pm, "Jim Doran" <j-k-doran(spamremover)@tx.rr.com

> Don't know if we can post pics on ASB but I'll sure
> have one of me and my 25 year plaque available.

Hi Jim,

Nope, pics can only be posted to .binaries groups which many servers
will not carry. However, if you send it to me I will put it up on the
Team Internet website:

http://bowl-team-internet.com/

We have several guys with 25+ years. It would be fun to make a rouge
gallery of sorts of guys posing with their plaques :-)

Mark



 
Date: 29 Aug 2007 17:45:35
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Aug 29, 8:02 pm, Max <m...@nospam.net > wrote:

> Understandably, I'm pretty drained now since in my younger days I let
> all my testosterone pool under my grossly overdeveloped chest.

Always with the testosterone pools...good times...good times.

When was ASB chartered? 1989?






  
Date: 31 Aug 2007 18:59:18
From: Max
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:45:35 -0700, Mark <twobowlers@aol.com > graced
this newsgroup with:

>On Aug 29, 8:02 pm, Max <m...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> Understandably, I'm pretty drained now since in my younger days I let
>> all my testosterone pool under my grossly overdeveloped chest.
>
>Always with the testosterone pools...good times...good times.
>
>When was ASB chartered? 1989?
>
>
>

Remember the Fantasty Bowling League? What a PITA to manage
but it was fun.




  
Date: 31 Aug 2007 18:58:32
From: Max
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:45:35 -0700, Mark <twobowlers@aol.com > graced
this newsgroup with:

>On Aug 29, 8:02 pm, Max <m...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> Understandably, I'm pretty drained now since in my younger days I let
>> all my testosterone pool under my grossly overdeveloped chest.
>
>Always with the testosterone pools...good times...good times.
>
>When was ASB chartered? 1989?
>
>
>


I think so. I was poster #1 I believe with something deep and thought
provoking like:

"Does anyone post here?"

-aki


 
Date: 29 Aug 2007 17:43:00
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Aug 29, 1:43 pm, "Jimmy G" <offsethammer...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> What ever happened to "NimBill"?
> I think that was his posting name.
>

Wild Bill Rollins or WBR(tm) has not been heard from for years. There
might have been one imposter on for a while but it was clearly not
Bill.

WBR(tm) was a pretty good guy at heart but he was not well informed
about the technical side of bowling. He drove a lot of ASB regulars
nuts because of that but for a long time he was the groups resident
nut-job and he kept things entertaining. Perhaps my favorite WBR(tm)
thread of all time was when he got into a protracted argument with one
of the PBA ball reps from Brunswick regarding layouts and how they
affected ball motion.

I'd buy him a beer if I ever meet him though.

Mark




  
Date: 30 Aug 2007 17:43:53
From: Jimmy G
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
I used to read ASB regularly back when he was posting. It sure was
entertaining!

"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1188434580.565390.207190@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 1:43 pm, "Jimmy G" <offsethammer...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What ever happened to "NimBill"?
>> I think that was his posting name.
>>
>
> Wild Bill Rollins or WBR(tm) has not been heard from for years. There
> might have been one imposter on for a while but it was clearly not
> Bill.
>
> WBR(tm) was a pretty good guy at heart but he was not well informed
> about the technical side of bowling. He drove a lot of ASB regulars
> nuts because of that but for a long time he was the groups resident
> nut-job and he kept things entertaining. Perhaps my favorite WBR(tm)
> thread of all time was when he got into a protracted argument with one
> of the PBA ball reps from Brunswick regarding layouts and how they
> affected ball motion.
>
> I'd buy him a beer if I ever meet him though.
>
> Mark
>
>




   
Date: 31 Aug 2007 03:56:40
From: Darby
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
Paul Horvick, from Bowling This Month youth articles keeps a general eye on
Bill. I got Bill's address about a year ago. He never answered me. Paul
thinks he's doing okay. I want to know if he's still looking for that boat
with a woman....or was he selling it? ;)
Dar

"Jimmy G" <
>I used to read ASB regularly back when he was posting. It sure was
>entertaining!
>
> "Mark" <wrote:
>>> What ever happened to "NimBill"?
>>> I think that was his posting name.
>>>
>>
>> Wild Bill Rollins or WBR(tm) has not been heard from for years. There
>> might have been one imposter on for a while but it was clearly not
>> Bill.
>>
>> WBR(tm) was a pretty good guy at heart but he was not well informed
>> about the technical side of bowling. He drove a lot of ASB regulars
>> nuts because of that but for a long time he was the groups resident
>> nut-job and he kept things entertaining. Perhaps my favorite WBR(tm)
>> thread of all time was when he got into a protracted argument with one
>> of the PBA ball reps from Brunswick regarding layouts and how they
>> affected ball motion.
>>
>> I'd buy him a beer if I ever meet him though.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>
>




 
Date: 29 Aug 2007 07:41:59
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
> ASB is pretty quiet now but there are still a lot of
> lurkers from the old days. We'll see what the next ten years brings :)

Reminds me of when I was dealing with Bulletin Board Systems (BBS) in
the mid-80's (remember them?). When the Internet became Really
Accessible To All (a.k.a. "World Wide Web"), dial-up BBSes died almost
overnight with the Usenet, etc.

I do agree: Newsgroup sites like you mentioned seem to be where people
"hang out to talk" anymore. I think Newsgroup sites are the
resurrected BBSes of yore. :)

Thank you again for your education and "words of comfort". :)



 
Date: 28 Aug 2007 20:13:22
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Aug 28, 10:21 pm, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:
> Thank you for the "history lesson, etc.". I guess I just have to grin
> and bear it, etc. :)

BTW - I'm equally annoyed by spammers but it's tradition to ignore
them along with the trolls and the flamers. Like children throwing a
temper tantrum the worse thing to do is give them attention. Easier
said than done sometimes.

I think Aki Damme is the oldest living ASB poster that still frequents
the group. Aki was around when the group was chartered back in the
stone ages and since he's a dinosaur that is fitting. I think ASB came
to be in 1989 +/- a year or so. I found the group in 1990.

Through the early 1990s ASB was the best place on the internet for
bowling discussions. There were huge, and very polite, threads about
resin equipment, the changing oil conditions and playing rules and
some very interesting debates about the mental side of bowling and how
to improve ones game. There were many guys from the industry and even
a couple ball reps and PBA touring pros that would post here. It was
an enlightened age for ASB with a lot of really bright people who love
bowling participating in the discussions.

In the mid-1990s, along with the growing prevalence of internet
connections outside of tech companies and universities, other bowling
communities were established. One of these was the AOL bowling forum.
That group was very popular and held weekly "chat sessions" on
Sundays. Anywhere from 20-30 folks would get together for an hour and
talk about bowling, the pba tour, etc. A lot of long lasting
friendships were formed from those internet interactions.

Toward the late 1990s as even more people found the internet and
Usenet newsgroups, ASB sadly got sucked into several nasty and
protracted flame wars. Where there had once only been only a couple
"difficult" persons who you could ignore, there were suddenly many nut-
jobs and every thread turned into personal attacks. Most of the long
term ASB members found this too distasteful to bother with and simply
drifted away never to return. When those guys left so did the
knowledge base of the group and the historic perspective.

Fast forward another 7-8 years to today and bowling discussions are
still ongoing on the web but more so in web forums such as those on
ballreviews.com ASB is pretty quiet now but there are still a lot of
lurkers from the old days. We'll see what the next ten years brings :)

Mark



  
Date: 30 Aug 2007 18:23:10
From: Jim Doran
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?

"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1188357202.377834.310620@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Fast forward another 7-8 years to today and bowling discussions are
> still ongoing on the web but more so in web forums such as those on
> ballreviews.com ASB is pretty quiet now but there are still a lot of
> lurkers from the old days. We'll see what the next ten years brings :)
>
> Mark


Guess I'm considered one of those lurkers. Check in about once a
week to see if there is anything interesting to reply to and to see if
Mark has moved again. He always seems to be one step ahead of
me when I think I might have a chance to meet him.

My teammate and I did pick up on one of the local association
teams, Mark, but thank you for the offer to bowl with the ASB
teams. After 24 years of bowling 'convention week' we've moved
to late April. Don't know if we can post pics on ASB but I'll sure
have one of me and my 25 year plaque available. 8 x 10 glossy,
signed for a small fee plus S & H.

Jim D




  
Date: 29 Aug 2007 20:02:24
From: Max
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 20:13:22 -0700, Mark <twobowlers@aol.com > graced
this newsgroup with:

>On Aug 28, 10:21 pm, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>> Thank you for the "history lesson, etc.". I guess I just have to grin
>> and bear it, etc. :)
>
>BTW - I'm equally annoyed by spammers but it's tradition to ignore
>them along with the trolls and the flamers. Like children throwing a
>temper tantrum the worse thing to do is give them attention. Easier
>said than done sometimes.
>
>I think Aki Damme is the oldest living ASB poster that still frequents
>the group. Aki was around when the group was chartered back in the
>stone ages and since he's a dinosaur that is fitting. I think ASB came
>to be in 1989 +/- a year or so. I found the group in 1990.
>

hey Mark. I still lurk whenever I get the energy to mainline some
Geritol and crawl over to the computer.

Understandably, I'm pretty drained now since in my younger days I let
all my testosterone pool under my grossly overdeveloped chest.

-aki


  
Date: 29 Aug 2007 13:43:35
From: Jimmy G
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
What ever happened to "NimBill"?
I think that was his posting name.

"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1188357202.377834.310620@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 28, 10:21 pm, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>> Thank you for the "history lesson, etc.". I guess I just have to grin
>> and bear it, etc. :)
>
> BTW - I'm equally annoyed by spammers but it's tradition to ignore
> them along with the trolls and the flamers. Like children throwing a
> temper tantrum the worse thing to do is give them attention. Easier
> said than done sometimes.
>
> I think Aki Damme is the oldest living ASB poster that still frequents
> the group. Aki was around when the group was chartered back in the
> stone ages and since he's a dinosaur that is fitting. I think ASB came
> to be in 1989 +/- a year or so. I found the group in 1990.
>
> Through the early 1990s ASB was the best place on the internet for
> bowling discussions. There were huge, and very polite, threads about
> resin equipment, the changing oil conditions and playing rules and
> some very interesting debates about the mental side of bowling and how
> to improve ones game. There were many guys from the industry and even
> a couple ball reps and PBA touring pros that would post here. It was
> an enlightened age for ASB with a lot of really bright people who love
> bowling participating in the discussions.
>
> In the mid-1990s, along with the growing prevalence of internet
> connections outside of tech companies and universities, other bowling
> communities were established. One of these was the AOL bowling forum.
> That group was very popular and held weekly "chat sessions" on
> Sundays. Anywhere from 20-30 folks would get together for an hour and
> talk about bowling, the pba tour, etc. A lot of long lasting
> friendships were formed from those internet interactions.
>
> Toward the late 1990s as even more people found the internet and
> Usenet newsgroups, ASB sadly got sucked into several nasty and
> protracted flame wars. Where there had once only been only a couple
> "difficult" persons who you could ignore, there were suddenly many nut-
> jobs and every thread turned into personal attacks. Most of the long
> term ASB members found this too distasteful to bother with and simply
> drifted away never to return. When those guys left so did the
> knowledge base of the group and the historic perspective.
>
> Fast forward another 7-8 years to today and bowling discussions are
> still ongoing on the web but more so in web forums such as those on
> ballreviews.com ASB is pretty quiet now but there are still a lot of
> lurkers from the old days. We'll see what the next ten years brings :)
>
> Mark
>




 
Date: 28 Aug 2007 19:21:12
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
Thank you for the "history lesson, etc.". I guess I just have to grin
and bear it, etc. :)



 
Date: 28 Aug 2007 23:01:31
From: Robert A. Zanol
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
I just added him to my blocked senders list for newsgroups. I use outlook
express to view this newsgroup and I never see his messages since I blocked
him. THANK GOD! That guy's chemicals in the synapses of the nerves in his
brain definitely misfire or something. He needs some serious help, probably
help no human can provide....RAZ

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"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message
news:1188265726.201979.196400@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> Is there anyone in this Newsgroup who has the authority to DELETE all
> the "MI5..." crap? if not, is there a way for Google Groups to do this
> AND put that clown on some sort of "posting not allowed, etc." status
> for this room?
>
> the same request(s) can also go for all other "promotional, etc." crap
> that manages to, unfortuately, appear here...
>




 
Date: 28 Aug 2007 15:36:40
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Aug 27, 9:48 pm, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:
> Is there anyone in this Newsgroup who has the authority to DELETE all
> the "MI5..." crap?

No - see below for why.

> if not, is there a way for Google Groups to do this
> AND put that clown on some sort of "posting not allowed, etc." status
> for this room?

The spammers ISP will kill them in short order as it takes up
bandwidth for no reason.

> the same request(s) can also go for all other "promotional, etc." crap
> that manages to, unfortuately, appear here...

A bit of clarification as to what ASB is and where it lives on the
internet.

Alt.Sport.Bowling (ASB) is not a chat room, bulletin board or a web
forum. It is a Usenet newsgroup. Usenet is short for User Network and
dates back about thirty years to when a couple of IT geeks in North
Carolina thought it would be cool to hook up some servers and allow
free sharing of information. This was a very spiffy idea and it grew
into the larger collection of newsgroups devoted to specific topics.
Google for usenet and read all about the history.

Usenet predates much of what we take for granted post WWW and at one
time was a really hopping place to share data, thoughts, wisdom and
debate on a wide variety of topics. To access usenet you used to need
an ISP that hosted the groups and a text reader (like PINE) to read
and post messages. This changed with Dejanews and Google Groups and
now anyone with a web browser can access Usenet. I use Google Groups
because I'm lazy and I can use this old and now dead email address
which keeps people from spamming me or responding directly to my
posts :-)

In the technical groups you can still find a vast set of highly
informed individuals who can help with a number of topics. In the alt
and rec groups the situation is generally less favorable to what it
was 20 years ago (crap I'm getting old...)

To your specific question -- there are no moderators for Usenet groups
except for when the group charter spcifies one. In such cases the
group title will reflect that. For example: rec.guns.moderated The
number of moderated groups is very small because it is generally not
needed and because few people want to take the time to do a good job
of moderating.

ASB will remain an open and unmoderated group. These types of spam
attacks come and go, just ignore them or kill file the sender and you
don't have to see it. Typically the senders ISP figures out what is
going on and bans them.

The neat thing to me is that usenet groups live on in a day of web
based forums. I think that's pretty cool and it's one of the reasons I
still visit ASB even though there are other bowling forums with much
greater depth of discussion.

Viva la USENET !!!!!!

Mark



  
Date: 29 Aug 2007 03:08:02
From: Robert A. Zanol
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
Here is a link to a page from Google Mark was referring:
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/what-is/part1/

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"Mark" <twobowlers@aol.com > wrote in message
news:1188340600.217984.199910@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 27, 9:48 pm, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>> Is there anyone in this Newsgroup who has the authority to DELETE all
>> the "MI5..." crap?
>
> No - see below for why.
>
>> if not, is there a way for Google Groups to do this
>> AND put that clown on some sort of "posting not allowed, etc." status
>> for this room?
>
> The spammers ISP will kill them in short order as it takes up
> bandwidth for no reason.
>
>> the same request(s) can also go for all other "promotional, etc." crap
>> that manages to, unfortuately, appear here...
>
> A bit of clarification as to what ASB is and where it lives on the
> internet.
>
> Alt.Sport.Bowling (ASB) is not a chat room, bulletin board or a web
> forum. It is a Usenet newsgroup. Usenet is short for User Network and
> dates back about thirty years to when a couple of IT geeks in North
> Carolina thought it would be cool to hook up some servers and allow
> free sharing of information. This was a very spiffy idea and it grew
> into the larger collection of newsgroups devoted to specific topics.
> Google for usenet and read all about the history.
>
> Usenet predates much of what we take for granted post WWW and at one
> time was a really hopping place to share data, thoughts, wisdom and
> debate on a wide variety of topics. To access usenet you used to need
> an ISP that hosted the groups and a text reader (like PINE) to read
> and post messages. This changed with Dejanews and Google Groups and
> now anyone with a web browser can access Usenet. I use Google Groups
> because I'm lazy and I can use this old and now dead email address
> which keeps people from spamming me or responding directly to my
> posts :-)
>
> In the technical groups you can still find a vast set of highly
> informed individuals who can help with a number of topics. In the alt
> and rec groups the situation is generally less favorable to what it
> was 20 years ago (crap I'm getting old...)
>
> To your specific question -- there are no moderators for Usenet groups
> except for when the group charter spcifies one. In such cases the
> group title will reflect that. For example: rec.guns.moderated The
> number of moderated groups is very small because it is generally not
> needed and because few people want to take the time to do a good job
> of moderating.
>
> ASB will remain an open and unmoderated group. These types of spam
> attacks come and go, just ignore them or kill file the sender and you
> don't have to see it. Typically the senders ISP figures out what is
> going on and bans them.
>
> The neat thing to me is that usenet groups live on in a day of web
> based forums. I think that's pretty cool and it's one of the reasons I
> still visit ASB even though there are other bowling forums with much
> greater depth of discussion.
>
> Viva la USENET !!!!!!
>
> Mark
>




 
Date: 28 Aug 2007 09:28:26
From: Dan the Man
Subject: Re: Help from the "moderators" here?
On Aug 27, 9:48 pm, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:
> Is there anyone in this Newsgroup who has the authority to DELETE all
> the "MI5..." crap? if not, is there a way for Google Groups to do this
> AND put that clown on some sort of "posting not allowed, etc." status
> for this room?
>
> the same request(s) can also go for all other "promotional, etc." crap
> that manages to, unfortuately, appear here...

On another forum (alt.food.wine) a poster says that MI5 was just
banned by Google. That psycho will probably just open another account
using a different email or ISP.

Dan