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Date: 03 Mar 2008 15:31:00
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Subject: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
I've bowled on lots of leagues, used to toy with trying to compete but
tendonitis of the elbow made it too rough. Anyway, the PBA website
has some requirements but it seems like if you average 190 or more,
and have funding you can give it a try on the tour when it comes
around.

There are non-exempt bowlers out there (always hear it about Rhino
Page), but what does the "exemption" make you exempt from? It seems
that they all go through the same thing all week, so what exactly does
an exemption do for you? If I heard right, in a case like Norm Duke,
it would allow you to take "a year or so off" with no penalty, but
unless you were injured, how is it to your benefit to take time off,
when basically time=money on the tour?

I guess I don't see what an exemption is- can somebody explain? Much
appreciated!!

T




 
Date: 05 Mar 2008 12:54:06
From:
Subject: Re: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
On Mar 4, 5:34=A0pm, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:
> > Thanks- now it makes more sense. =A0I think it's the kind of thing you'd=

> > need to "see in action" once to really grasp it 100%.
>
> You're welcome. =A0If you want to "get a taste" of what bowling
> competition is like, attend a local "ABT" (Amateur Bowler's Tour)
> event. =A0Those who manage to make the finals:
>
> =A0 1. Have to FIRST bowl 3 or 4 games and see if they "make the cut".
> =A0 2. Those that "make the cut" have to bowl another round of 1-3
> games, depending on the format, to get to the semi-final round.
> =A0 3. Those that make the semis bowl another game to get to the final
> two.
> =A0 4. The Final Two bowl one more "winner take all".
>
> As you can imagine, doing all those games can take it out of you. :)
>
> > My arm hurts
> > after 3 games, I could not imagine doing what they do!
>
> Time to have your ball fit checked, get some coaching, and do upper-
> body exercises to strengthen your wrist and shoulders... (big smile)
>
> > I might as well ask this question then- why is it sometimes a 5 person
> > stepladder, and sometimes a 3 game format with 2 semifinals and 1
> > final, only having 4 people? =A0I guess that just depends on the event,
> > right? =A0What do you guys like watching better? =A0I like the stepladde=
r,
> > as it has an extra bowler, and rewards the higher qualifying person
> > more. =A0I also like to see somebody try to work their way 'up the
> > ladder', although the 3 game format makes somebody "earn it" a bit
> > more if they are a higher seed, instead of being #1 seed and just
> > having to bowl ONE game.
>
> Yes, the event format determines how the TV Final is organised. =A0I
> personally like the 5-man stepfinal as the #1 seed Has To Wait (i.e.,
> sit on his duff) to see who makes it to the Final Final round, and
> that can play havoc, etc. with the emotions and such anticipating who
> the opponent is.
>
> Either way, Only One Will Win... :)

Oh, I know I'm out of shape! But I have tendonitis in my elbow and
wrist to thank for that. Had it since baseball in high school, ten
years ago! If I got back into shape I'm sure I could bowl more, and
would prolly go back to a 15 lb ball. My best bowling ever was with a
"Nuke", when reactive resin was new, and it was my first resin ball.
My average went from the 160's to the 190's FAST. Since then I've
bowled casually, average around 200, flirted with a 300 game on a few
occasions. But I'm thrilled to bowl a 700 series, which is an average
of 233 1/3 for the night, and it is just mind boggling to see guys
maintain that over the course of a week!! Though, I always found that
I did well when I bowled amongst other good bowlers, so maybe you rise
to the occasion, on some level, if you have the right tools to start
with?

T


 
Date: 04 Mar 2008 14:34:36
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
> Thanks- now it makes more sense. =A0I think it's the kind of thing you'd
> need to "see in action" once to really grasp it 100%.

You're welcome. If you want to "get a taste" of what bowling
competition is like, attend a local "ABT" (Amateur Bowler's Tour)
event. Those who manage to make the finals:

1. Have to FIRST bowl 3 or 4 games and see if they "make the cut".
2. Those that "make the cut" have to bowl another round of 1-3
games, depending on the format, to get to the semi-final round.
3. Those that make the semis bowl another game to get to the final
two.
4. The Final Two bowl one more "winner take all".

As you can imagine, doing all those games can take it out of you. :)

> My arm hurts
> after 3 games, I could not imagine doing what they do!

Time to have your ball fit checked, get some coaching, and do upper-
body exercises to strengthen your wrist and shoulders... (big smile)

> I might as well ask this question then- why is it sometimes a 5 person
> stepladder, and sometimes a 3 game format with 2 semifinals and 1
> final, only having 4 people? =A0I guess that just depends on the event,
> right? =A0What do you guys like watching better? =A0I like the stepladder,=

> as it has an extra bowler, and rewards the higher qualifying person
> more. =A0I also like to see somebody try to work their way 'up the
> ladder', although the 3 game format makes somebody "earn it" a bit
> more if they are a higher seed, instead of being #1 seed and just
> having to bowl ONE game.

Yes, the event format determines how the TV Final is organised. I
personally like the 5-man stepfinal as the #1 seed Has To Wait (i.e.,
sit on his duff) to see who makes it to the Final Final round, and
that can play havoc, etc. with the emotions and such anticipating who
the opponent is.

Either way, Only One Will Win... :)


 
Date: 04 Mar 2008 10:02:57
From:
Subject: Re: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
On Mar 4, 10:45=A0am, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:
> > the bowlers who make the show on Sunday do not have to bowl in the
> > pro-am on Saturday. so if you are going to bowl in the pro-am just to
> > bowl (pick anybody) say, chris barnes, and he makes the show, he will
> > not get to bowl with you on sat. everything else is pretty accurate.
>
> Thank you for the correction regarding the Pro-Am aspect. :)

Thanks- now it makes more sense. I think it's the kind of thing you'd
need to "see in action" once to really grasp it 100%. My arm hurts
after 3 games, I could not imagine doing what they do!

I might as well ask this question then- why is it sometimes a 5 person
stepladder, and sometimes a 3 game format with 2 semifinals and 1
final, only having 4 people? I guess that just depends on the event,
right? What do you guys like watching better? I like the stepladder,
as it has an extra bowler, and rewards the higher qualifying person
more. I also like to see somebody try to work their way 'up the
ladder', although the 3 game format makes somebody "earn it" a bit
more if they are a higher seed, instead of being #1 seed and just
having to bowl ONE game.

T


 
Date: 04 Mar 2008 07:45:19
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
> the bowlers who make the show on Sunday do not have to bowl in the
> pro-am on Saturday. so if you are going to bowl in the pro-am just to
> bowl (pick anybody) say, chris barnes, and he makes the show, he will
> not get to bowl with you on sat. everything else is pretty accurate.

Thank you for the correction regarding the Pro-Am aspect. :)


 
Date: 04 Mar 2008 00:05:28
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
> So, then the exempt players go directly to match play? =A0I see Rhino
> Page (not exempt) is consistently on TV, is he bowling wayyyyyy more
> games than the Walter Ray's and Parker Bohn's to get there?

If by "match play" you're referring to the "whittling down" Rounds of
64/32/16/8/Round Robin, that's correct. They're initially seeded (I
believe) based on their current Point Standings along with those few
that advanced from the previous-day's TQR round (i.e., Rhino Page).
And Yes, Rhino and the other "non-exempts" have to bowl SEVEN (7) MORE
GAMES than WRW, etal. because that's the # of games in the TQR round.
Just visit www.pba.com, starting on Wednesdays, to track the progress
of everyone (normal schedule: Wednesday is the TQR round, Match Play
runs Thursday and Friday, "Pro-Am" day is Saturday. The "Major"
events usually start qualifying on Tuesday and run all the way through
Saturday. Check the schedule for the individual event for details,
etc.).

As you observed, Just Because one is exempt DOES NOT guarantee one
will make it to the TV Finals as he/she still has to battle in the
"whittling down" rounds to earn his/her place on TV. Only the best 4
(2 semis and one final format) or best 5 (step-ladder format) after
the main qualifying, exempt or not, earn the right to Go For The
Trophy.

If this doesn't convince any "disbelievers" that Bowling isn't a real
sport, I dare them to:

1. Bowl around FORTY (40) GAMES over 3 days (in 2-4 hour continuous
blocks!)
2. Keep and maintain a 200+ average all this time
3. Bowl TWO OR THREE more games on the "Pro-Am" day (day after the
Final TV Qualifying rounds)
4. Still have enough "gas" to 3-5 MORE games on the following TV
Final day for those that made it

Anyone here who can do that is certainly capable of being on the PBA
tour. :)

Again, if I'm in error on anyting I've presented, I want to be
Properly Educated so I don't make these mistakes again. :)


  
Date: 04 Mar 2008 07:25:08
From: ross smith
Subject: Re: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
PromptJock wrote:
>> So, then the exempt players go directly to match play? I see Rhino
>> Page (not exempt) is consistently on TV, is he bowling wayyyyyy more
>> games than the Walter Ray's and Parker Bohn's to get there?
>
> If by "match play" you're referring to the "whittling down" Rounds of
> 64/32/16/8/Round Robin, that's correct. They're initially seeded (I
> believe) based on their current Point Standings along with those few
> that advanced from the previous-day's TQR round (i.e., Rhino Page).
> And Yes, Rhino and the other "non-exempts" have to bowl SEVEN (7) MORE
> GAMES than WRW, etal. because that's the # of games in the TQR round.
> Just visit www.pba.com, starting on Wednesdays, to track the progress
> of everyone (normal schedule: Wednesday is the TQR round, Match Play
> runs Thursday and Friday, "Pro-Am" day is Saturday. The "Major"
> events usually start qualifying on Tuesday and run all the way through
> Saturday. Check the schedule for the individual event for details,
> etc.).
>
> As you observed, Just Because one is exempt DOES NOT guarantee one
> will make it to the TV Finals as he/she still has to battle in the
> "whittling down" rounds to earn his/her place on TV. Only the best 4
> (2 semis and one final format) or best 5 (step-ladder format) after
> the main qualifying, exempt or not, earn the right to Go For The
> Trophy.
>
> If this doesn't convince any "disbelievers" that Bowling isn't a real
> sport, I dare them to:
>
> 1. Bowl around FORTY (40) GAMES over 3 days (in 2-4 hour continuous
> blocks!)
> 2. Keep and maintain a 200+ average all this time
> 3. Bowl TWO OR THREE more games on the "Pro-Am" day (day after the
> Final TV Qualifying rounds)
> 4. Still have enough "gas" to 3-5 MORE games on the following TV
> Final day for those that made it
>
> Anyone here who can do that is certainly capable of being on the PBA
> tour. :)
>
> Again, if I'm in error on anyting I've presented, I want to be
> Properly Educated so I don't make these mistakes again. :)
the bowlers who make the show on Sunday do not have to bowl in the
pro-am on Saturday. so if you are going to bowl in the pro-am just to
bowl (pick anybody) say, chris barnes, and he makes the show, he will
not get to bowl with you on sat. everything else is pretty accurate.


 
Date: 03 Mar 2008 20:07:01
From:
Subject: Re: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
On Mar 3, 7:53=A0pm, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:
> > I guess I don't see what an exemption is- can somebody explain? =A0Much
> > appreciated!!
>
> As I understand, the "exemption" means you have a GUARANTEED SPOT in
> the Qualifying Rounds. =A0IOW, the "exempt" players don't have to bowl
> in the "Tour Qualifying Round" (TQR) and hope they finish in the top
> spots (typically 5 or 8?). =A0Another advantage of having an exemption
> is you can "defer" it to the following year if you get injured and
> can't bowl a season (ala Robert Smith, Danny Wiseman, and a couple of
> others).
>
> Unfortunately, once your exemption runs out, you have to "endure the
> grind" of bowling the TQR round, hoping you make it to the Qualifying
> rounds, hoping you make it to the finals, and REALLY HOPING you can
> actually win the trophy. =A0Otherwise, you keep racking up points (via
> finishing position in the Qualifying rounds) and hope you earn enough
> every year to "hang in there, etc."
>
> If any of this info is in error or if I omitted anyting, I'd
> appreciate the appropriate education. :)

So, then the exempt players go directly to match play? I see Rhino
Page (not exempt) is consistently on TV, is he bowling wayyyyyy more
games than the Walter Ray's and Parker Bohn's to get there?

T


 
Date: 03 Mar 2008 16:53:36
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Have to ask, what is the 2 year "exemption"?
> I guess I don't see what an exemption is- can somebody explain? =A0Much
> appreciated!!

As I understand, the "exemption" means you have a GUARANTEED SPOT in
the Qualifying Rounds. IOW, the "exempt" players don't have to bowl
in the "Tour Qualifying Round" (TQR) and hope they finish in the top
spots (typically 5 or 8?). Another advantage of having an exemption
is you can "defer" it to the following year if you get injured and
can't bowl a season (ala Robert Smith, Danny Wiseman, and a couple of
others).

Unfortunately, once your exemption runs out, you have to "endure the
grind" of bowling the TQR round, hoping you make it to the Qualifying
rounds, hoping you make it to the finals, and REALLY HOPING you can
actually win the trophy. Otherwise, you keep racking up points (via
finishing position in the Qualifying rounds) and hope you earn enough
every year to "hang in there, etc."

If any of this info is in error or if I omitted anyting, I'd
appreciate the appropriate education. :)