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Date: 18 Nov 2004 11:09:37
From: Joshua Moyer
Subject: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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I am getting more into bowling all the time ... joined my first
league, have my own custom ball and bag. But no shoes yet. Do most
bowling alleys require that you wear official bowling shoes? My idea
was to buy a pair of sneakers and set them aside just for bowling.
Why is this bad?
Thanks,
Josh
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Date: 18 Nov 2004 19:40:07
From: John O
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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>Do most bowling alleys require that you wear official bowling shoes?
All of them do.
>My idea
> was to buy a pair of sneakers and set them aside just for bowling.
> Why is this bad?
You need to slide with your opposite foot. Bowling shoes are cheap at
department stores, and if you wear them once a week for a couple hours, they
last a long time. If you think about it, a good pair is a good investment if
you pllan to bowl for a few years. The pair I wear every week were purchased
in 1979. (I took a 15-year break)
That said, I have used a sneaker on my drive-foot, and it was cleaned and
dedicated to bowling. But that slide foot is not to be ignored.
-John O
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Date: 18 Nov 2004 18:44:06
From: Jamie
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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if you learn to bowl with tennis shoes I would think that would totally ruin
any chance of proper form you would hope to learn. Along with making the
other bowlers uncomfortable not knowing what you used those shoes. There are
shoes from Dexter you can get for 20 -40 bucks. and if you check with your
local proshop they may run sales on shoes the have overstocked. thats how I
always get my shoes.
just some thoughts.
Jamie
"John O" <johno@#no^spam&heathkit.com > wrote in message
news:rU6nd.30064$Qv5.2886@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> >Do most bowling alleys require that you wear official bowling shoes?
>
> All of them do.
>
>>My idea
>> was to buy a pair of sneakers and set them aside just for bowling.
>> Why is this bad?
>
> You need to slide with your opposite foot. Bowling shoes are cheap at
> department stores, and if you wear them once a week for a couple hours,
> they last a long time. If you think about it, a good pair is a good
> investment if you pllan to bowl for a few years. The pair I wear every
> week were purchased in 1979. (I took a 15-year break)
>
> That said, I have used a sneaker on my drive-foot, and it was cleaned and
> dedicated to bowling. But that slide foot is not to be ignored.
>
> -John O
>
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Date: 19 Nov 2004 00:39:53
From: Jeri Jo Thomas
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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From the trenches *joshuasm@gmail.com* sent a runner with this
important missive...
Q:I am getting more into bowling all the time ... joined my first
Q:league, have my own custom ball and bag. But no shoes yet. Do most
Q:bowling alleys require that you wear official bowling shoes? My idea
Q:was to buy a pair of sneakers and set them aside just for bowling.
Q:Why is this bad?
Q:
Ugh. I don't know how you wear house shoes. They have no arch support,
they always fit "funny" and they smell. Some people buy shoes before
they ever buy ball and bag. I feel that all three are part and parcel.
But, how do you slide in a pair of sneakers? With a Teflon pad
installed?
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Date: 18 Nov 2004 19:19:48
From: C D
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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There are two answers to your question.
First, The reason your wear bowling shoes in the first place is 2
fold. a) to be able to slide. Sneakers will be rubber soled shoes and
will not slide. b) to ensure that things from the outside dont get
tracked in on your street shoes and then onto the approach. Even if
YOU don't slide, anything that gets tracked on the approach could be
hazardous to bowlers who DO slide.
Secondly, Yes the vast majority of bowling centers will require you to
wear BOWLING shoes. I manage a center here in Texas, and I wont allow
anyone to wear sneakers while bowling, even if they are a pair of
sneakers used EXCLUSIVELY for bowling. Even if I trust that you only
wear then for bowling, the person open bowling 2 pair away will see
you and then pandora's box will be opened.. ("Why did I have to rent
shoes if that guy can wear his sneakers")
If you dont slide, buy a pair of the cheapest bowling shoes around,
heck even used ones for that matter, they will last you forever. If
you Do slide, You will understand the first time you forget and try to
bowl with your sneakers on.
joshuasm@gmail.com (Joshua Moyer) wrote in message news:<611f6931.0411181109.a70afc5@posting.google.com >...
> I am getting more into bowling all the time ... joined my first
> league, have my own custom ball and bag. But no shoes yet. Do most
> bowling alleys require that you wear official bowling shoes? My idea
> was to buy a pair of sneakers and set them aside just for bowling.
> Why is this bad?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh
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Date: 19 Nov 2004 14:36:55
From: Bowen691jack
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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>If you dont slide, buy a pair of the cheapest bowling shoes around,
>heck even used ones for that matter, they will last you forever. If
>you Do slide, You will understand the first time you forget and try to
>bowl with your sneakers on.
>
Buy a pair of left handed shoes if you are right handed - even buy one of
each and use the rubber soled ones
Quite a few good bowlers "stick and throw" some using a sneaker - OK as long
as no rubber, etc is left on the approach
Most people slide but it is not required to be good
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Date: 24 Nov 2004 21:10:43
From: midwesterner
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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bowen691jack@aol.com (Bowen691jack) wrote in message
>
> Most people slide but it is not required to be good
Interesting theory. Are there any pros using the deep slotted heel?
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Date: 29 Nov 2004 04:55:40
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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>From: e79z@hotmail.com (midwesterner)
>> Most people slide but it is not required to be good
>
>Interesting theory. Are there any pros using the deep slotted heel?
All of the plant and shoot bowlers!
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Date: 29 Nov 2004 06:38:31
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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*
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:
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#
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Date: 08 Dec 2004 00:15:23
From: EmYanks2001
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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I know I'm repeating info again here, but yes you must wear bowling
shoes, because again even if you dont slide, your ruining lanes for
eveeryone else when outside dirt gets tracked on.... I've had this
argument several times with a friend that open bowls maybe once a year
and always tries to bowl with sneakers and cant figure out why she must
wear bowling shoes, but just like every other sport, you have to use
the proper equipment.....
BTW, to emphasize what was posted earlier about buying shoes at kmart
(btw, not just for beginners, I"ve been bowling since I was 8, I am now
22, and I average approx. 150, far from beginner, and i use them)
point is I got a quality brand (brunswick) for $3, thats right 3
bucks!!!! I beleve they were clearing their inventory and wanted to
rid the bowling section altogether, but either way you cannot beat that
price!!!!!!
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Date: 11 Dec 2004 17:00:59
From: John
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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"EmYanks2001" <EmYanks2001@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1102493722.991935.260080@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>I know I'm repeating info again here, but yes you must wear bowling
> shoes, because again even if you dont slide, your ruining lanes for
> eveeryone else when outside dirt gets tracked on.... I've had this
> argument several times with a friend that open bowls maybe once a year
> and always tries to bowl with sneakers and cant figure out why she must
> wear bowling shoes, but just like every other sport, you have to use
> the proper equipment.....
>
> BTW, to emphasize what was posted earlier about buying shoes at kmart
> (btw, not just for beginners, I"ve been bowling since I was 8, I am now
> 22, and I average approx. 150, far from beginner, and i use them)
> point is I got a quality brand (brunswick) for $3, thats right 3
> bucks!!!! I beleve they were clearing their inventory and wanted to
> rid the bowling section altogether, but either way you cannot beat that
> price!!!!!!
>
Its a MUST for me to wear bowling shoes when I bowl. Otherwise I definitely
would damage my left knee and leg. I already have problems with my left leg
and knee the way it is.
-John L.
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Date: 19 Nov 2004 06:40:33
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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>I am getting more into bowling all the time ... joined my first
>league, have my own custom ball and bag. But no shoes yet. Do most
>bowling alleys require that you wear official bowling shoes? My idea
>was to buy a pair of sneakers and set them aside just for bowling.
>Why is this bad?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Josh
You can do that if you plant and swing.
If you need a little slide sneakers will not work so a leather soled shoe would
be better.
Stores like K-Mart offer bowling shoes cheap that are OK for beginners.
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Date: 19 Nov 2004 23:17:41
From: Smokey
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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"Joshua Moyer" <joshuasm@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:611f6931.0411181109.a70afc5@posting.google.com...
> I am getting more into bowling all the time ... joined my first
> league, have my own custom ball and bag. But no shoes yet. Do most
> bowling alleys require that you wear official bowling shoes? My idea
> was to buy a pair of sneakers and set them aside just for bowling.
> Why is this bad?
Yes, you should have your own shoes. I recommend the Dexter "Turbo" model
for a starter shoe - roughly $40 or so from a Pro Shop. As long as you
don't wear them anywhere EXCEPT the center, they'll last a long time!
NOTE: you may have problems STICKING, especially on SYNTHETIC approaches
(the "generic white" slide sole on the "low cost" Dexters is like that). If
that's the case, you MAY have to apply something like the Master "Slide
Glide" (around $10 at the Pro Shop, if the shop carries it) self-adhesive,
woven nylon, sole material to your slide foot. Belive me, this stuff is
VERY SLICK and, in my personal experience, was specifically designed for
synthetic approaches. HOWEVER, it does eventually wear out (after a couple
of years, depending on HOW OFTEN you bowl), but it's easy to remove and
replace.
That's my input. :)
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Date: 21 Nov 2004 18:48:30
From: Joshua Moyer
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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Thank you all for your help. I am looking into buying some shoes now
... I didn't think about the "slide" aspect ... can see the benefits
of that. Also of avoiding nasty glares for wearing sneakers! ;) I
have seen some *really* nice ones online, but they are $120 or so. I
like 'em, but not that much. I'm checking on eBay and some online
shops now. The rental shoes are just disgusting. The alley we
frequent often gives us neon yellow and orange velcro shoes ... I
would do anything not to have to wear them again! They are worn out
and smelly. Another alley has some nice blue and grey retro suedes
for rentals, but I'm having trouble finding them. But fear not, I
shall get some shoes!!! Now if you could help me bust out of my 150
average into the big league, we'll be talking.
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Date: 22 Nov 2004 05:14:47
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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>ail
>From: joshuasm@gmail.com (Joshua Moyer)
>
>Thank you all for your help. I am looking into buying some shoes now
>... I didn't think about the "slide" aspect ... can see the benefits
>of that. Also of avoiding nasty glares for wearing sneakers! ;) I
>have seen some *really* nice ones online, but they are $120 or so. I
>like 'em, but not that much. I'm checking on eBay and some online
>shops now. The rental shoes are just disgusting. The alley we
>frequent often gives us neon yellow and orange velcro shoes ... I
>would do anything not to have to wear them again! They are worn out
>and smelly. Another alley has some nice blue and grey retro suedes
>for rentals, but I'm having trouble finding them. But fear not, I
>shall get some shoes!!! Now if you could help me bust out of my 150
>average into the big league, we'll be talking.
>
My personnal recommendation would be to by Linds shoes but I also own shoes by
Dexters that I often use.
Based on what you have said so far I'd recommend you go to K-Mart and buy
whatever they have that you like the looks of.
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Date: 22 Nov 2004 13:19:34
From: Smokey
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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Getting YOUR OWN SHOES will go a long way to improving your game. Again,
good shoes DO NOT need to be expen$ive, that's why I recommended the Dexter
"Turbos". As NimBill added, Linds are good shoes, but not too many Pro
Shops carry them. The important thing is to try on a few pairs and
determine which ones are most comfortable for your tootsies. After all, if
the shoes aren't comfortable, there's NO WAY you'll do well!
As for making a "big break" from your average: get some lessons from a
Certified USA Bowling "Silver" or "Gold" level coach. Believe me, it's
money well-spent!
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Date: 22 Nov 2004 16:24:42
From: Jamie
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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Hey Smokey I have tried contacting hte 3 silver certified teachers and I get
no response from them. Any suggestions on what to do if you don't hear
anything back? Maybe take the classes myself to get certified?
thanks
Jamie
"Smokey" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message
news:cntl26$gee$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> Getting YOUR OWN SHOES will go a long way to improving your game. Again,
> good shoes DO NOT need to be expen$ive, that's why I recommended the
> Dexter
> "Turbos". As NimBill added, Linds are good shoes, but not too many Pro
> Shops carry them. The important thing is to try on a few pairs and
> determine which ones are most comfortable for your tootsies. After all,
> if
> the shoes aren't comfortable, there's NO WAY you'll do well!
>
> As for making a "big break" from your average: get some lessons from a
> Certified USA Bowling "Silver" or "Gold" level coach. Believe me, it's
> money well-spent!
>
>
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Date: 22 Nov 2004 23:35:04
From: Smokey
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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> Hey Smokey I have tried contacting hte 3 silver certified teachers and I
get
> no response from them. Any suggestions on what to do if you don't hear
> anything back? Maybe take the classes myself to get certified?
If they refuse to return your calls, then they're not worth bothering with.
In fact, IMHO, you should contact USA Bowling via bob.maki@bowl.com and
provide him with the names of the "offending coaches". Make sure you tell
Mr. Maki you tried to engage their services but they (apparently) "blew you
off".
As for taking the classes: it certainly WOULD NOT hurt you to do so.
However, let me warn you the classes ARE NOT CHEAP and you have to "progress
in steps", (I think) starting with the Bronze Certification class. Check
out
http://www.bowl.com/bowl/usa/common/static.html?page=coaching_training_mainpage to get the info.
That's all I can offer and I hope it's useful. :)
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Date: 23 Nov 2004 08:35:39
From: Joshua Moyer
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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Thanks so much for your helps guys! Your replies have been prompt and
courteous. I'll get back to you when I'm famous!
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Date: 23 Nov 2004 17:25:27
From: ALSPROSHOP
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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> "Smokey" wrote:
>Getting YOUR OWN SHOES will go a long way to improving your game. Again,
>good shoes DO NOT need to be expen$ive, that's why I recommended the Dexter
>"Turbos". As NimBill added, Linds are good shoes, but not too many Pro
>Shops carry them. The important thing is to try on a few pairs and
>determine which ones are most comfortable for your tootsies. After all, if
>the shoes aren't comfortable, there's NO WAY you'll do well!
>
<snip >
Very important to get a stable foundation under you. Advise only buying shoe
with correct RH/LH slide sole(1 leather/1rubber)
Al Whiteman
Executive Director , Portland Bowling Association
www.pbabowling.com
"Time spent bowling is never deducted from one's life span"
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Date: 29 Nov 2004 04:53:06
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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>From: "Smokey" 102151.3223@compuserve.com
>Getting YOUR OWN SHOES will go a long way to improving your game. Again,
>good shoes DO NOT need to be expen$ive, that's why I recommended the Dexter
>"Turbos". As NimBill added, Linds are good shoes, but not too many Pro
>Shops carry them. The important thing is to try on a few pairs and
>determine which ones are most comfortable for your tootsies. After all, if
>the shoes aren't comfortable, there's NO WAY you'll do well!
>
>As for making a "big break" from your average: get some lessons from a
>Certified USA Bowling "Silver" or "Gold" level coach. Believe me, it's
>money well-spent!
>
I do have some Dexter shoes and they are great. My Lind's are many years older
and better.
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Date: 29 Nov 2004 06:23:25
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Do I Really Need Bowling Shoes?
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Dick Tracy would have
* recognized as unconstitutional the worldwide comprehensive Orwellian
* system that has been installed, and reject it as a menace to true law
* and order.
! "Welfare Recipients Lose Benefits Through Glitches in Computers"
! By Joe Sexton, The New York Times, 5/16/96
!
! The fingerprint-imaging system that is a central element of the Giuliani
! administration's effort to crack down on welfare fraud has resulted in
! hundreds of recipients cases being closed.
!
! The public advocate's office has been inundated with complaints from
! improper case closings.
!
! The failure seems to stem from the local offices not transmitting the
! fingerprints to Albany's central computer. This resulted in AUTOMATICALLY
! TERMINATING BENEFITS OF PEOPLE THE COMPUTER THOUGHT WERE NOT FINGERPRINTED.
----
Prior to the fingerprint "final solution" of control over us, there were
other attempts---which would have required a vote---which tried to roll
out a National ID Card.
* "Project L.U.C.I.D.", by Texe Marrs, 1996, ISBN 1-884302-02-5
*
* Since total and absolute control can be obtained only by a Police State
* bureaucracy, efforts have escalated in recent years to require a National
* ID Card.
*
* Upon Bill Clinton's election as President, Secretary of Health and Human
* Services Donna Shalala and Massachusetts Senator Edward Kennedy jointly
* developed a $100 million plan to require all children and babies to have
* a dossier established in a national computer registry to insure "universal
* mandatory vaccinations."
*
* When patriotic Americans rose up to protest, the U.S. Senate quietly
* shelved the deceptive Shalala-Kennedy proposal.
*
* The Clinton administration next surfaced with its mandatory health care
* plan. A key component of this plot to socialize medical care was the
* requiremen
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