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Date: 02 Jan 2005 10:15:05
From: Mark
Subject: Changing to a fingertip grip
First time poster here. I have been bowling for most of my life
although I have only been bowling regularly for the past 6 or 7 years.
I have always used a conventional grip, but based on what I have read
here and elsewhere, my game should improve if I change to a fingertip
grip.

Currently, I average around 155. This is down 10 from last year and
is actually the first year where I haven't improved.

All things being equal, what will I notice by changing to a fingertip
grip. Will I have to change the way I release the ball? How long
will it take me to adjust?

Thanks,
Mark




 
Date: 09 Jan 2005 19:03:10
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Mark,

There are so many good reasons to change to a finger tip grip but they all
are driven around what you want to achieve.

When I first went to finger tips I had a lot of hand pain. This was because
I was not prepared nor did I have someone to guide me in the different
methods for releasing the ball. One post here mentions having someone coach
you ... believe it and do it.

Like any change in how you approach the sport you may see a drop in your
average until you get used to the timing, release options, and develop some
strength in your fingers, hand, wrist, and learn how to disengage muscles as
well.

I am at a point now with my game that I don't lift (hit up) or over wrist
the ball. I cradle it and squeeze it like I am holding an egg. The result
has been more revs; consistant release point; and greater flexibility when
dealing with lane changes.

One recommendation would be to get a used ball drilled that is a pound or
two lighter. This way you can get a feel for the new grip and learn how to
release the ball with little opportiunity of injury.

There are many opnions regarding releases, rev techniques, and fit that you
may want to try and find an instructor locally that can help you. If you can
get some back issues of Bowling This Month, there have been several articles
regarding techniques by John Jowdy. It is similar to the info in his book.
Maybe a little more expanded.

Good luck and have fun.

Jack B
"Mark" <biz-removenospam-opportunity@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> First time poster here. I have been bowling for most of my life
> although I have only been bowling regularly for the past 6 or 7 years.
> I have always used a conventional grip, but based on what I have read
> here and elsewhere, my game should improve if I change to a fingertip
> grip.
>
> Currently, I average around 155. This is down 10 from last year and
> is actually the first year where I haven't improved.
>
> All things being equal, what will I notice by changing to a fingertip
> grip. Will I have to change the way I release the ball? How long
> will it take me to adjust?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark




  
Date: 13 Jan 2005 02:11:55
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Jack B wrote:
> Mark,

>
> When I first went to finger tips I had a lot of hand pain. This was
> because I was not prepared nor did I have someone to guide me in the
> different methods for releasing the ball. One post here mentions
> having someone coach you ... believe it and do it.
>

Question about that - Was it hand pain.. or more like tendonitus (sp?)? Was
it limited to your hand, or was your wrist also sore or tender?

Just a couple of weeks ago, I switched to a fingertip drill and a reactive
ball after throwing a straight ball (house balls and for the last three or
four years a plastic Brusnwick) as a casual bowler for most of my life...
In ten days, my game changed dramatically. My league average is in the high
140s... My last 15 games have all exceeded 180. In fact, I threw my
lifetime high game 4 games in a row (204 - 208 - 220 - 224). Before that,
my high game was a 180, and I did that over a year ago. I've gone from
consistantly throwing 146's and 150's to every game being over 180, and more
than 50% of my games being around or over 200.

Anyway, my wrist is killing me. I've taken the last 4 days off, and it
isn't feeling any better. - I'm reluctant to change anything I'm doing
because of the huge improvement in my scores... but I've got league play in
about 16 hours from now, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to "grin and bear
it" for three games. I have to be doing something wrong, I suppose. I
don't see other bowlers nursing sore wrists...

So, I have to wonder if this has been a problem for others. - I'll take
your advice and have someone teach me a little more about what I'm doing and
perhaps they might see something I'm doing wrong that is causing my problem.
But, I still have to wonder if others ever suffer from this sort of thing.




   
Date: 04 Feb 2005 03:22:36
From: ALSPROSHOP
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
> When I first went to finger tips I had a lot of hand pain. This was
>> because I was not prepared nor did I have someone to guide me in the
>> different methods for releasing the ball. One post here mentions
>> having someone coach you ... believe it and do it.

Almost 40 years fitting & drilling experience.
If your hand did not hurt with a conventional but hurts now, the span is
incorrect; generally too long.





   
Date: 14 Jan 2005 18:47:05
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Cudoos for the good bowling ... stop what you are doing if you are having
pain! As I said in a previous post, when ever you change anything like grip
change, use a lighter weight ball until you get used to the change.

I have the following questions?

1. how old are you? did you increase the weigth of your new ball?
2. how does the span feel? do feel like you have to stretch you hand /
fingers to fit the ball? or do you feel like to have to squeeze it fit you
hand?
3. related question to #2 - do you feel like your fingers and thumb are
loose? do you fell like you have to grip the ball to keep it from falling
off your hand?
4. are you cupping your wrist excessively to get the roll you desire? here
is a really important one .. are you hitting up on the ball or rolling the
ball?
5. finally, do you feel like your hand rotates radically at the point
release?

about 6 or 7 years ago I was bowling in a tournament where I injured my
bowling wrist severely. it was one of the worst and best things that
happened to me. for one I was hitting up on the ball or trying to and I was
tossing 16# equipment at the time. that incident knocked me out of action
for 6 mos. so if you are getting pain ... stop what you are doing until you
can have a coach or instructor help you.

the best part of what happened was I found a new and perhaps a better way to
roll a bowling ball. again, as I posted earlier; I do not grip or over
squeeze the ball. this is from two changes I made to my grip and my finger /
thumb pitches. also, how I tape the ball (thumb and finger holes) has
changed as well.

my thumb fit is as tight as I can possibley stand it. now before everyone
gets their panties bunch up, try this before you reject it. if you have ever
watched Randy Pedersen or Pete Weber they really screw their thumbs into the
ball. if you get that kind of fit all you need to do is give a little
squeeze and your thumb will slide out very easly. the advantage to a tight
fit is that you have greater control at the point of release and you can
make changes through your swing as well .. ie finger position at the bottom
of the swing ... ect ..

today I rarely cup my wrist. today I use both 15# and 16# equipment. today I
have 10 300 games to my credit. 3 of those came last bowling season. and
today I bowl with NO PAIN! it is possible to bowl well with no pain ...

get some help ASAP ... let me know how you are progressing. BTW ... where do
you bowl?

Jack B
"twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com > wrote in message
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> Jack B wrote:
>> Mark,
>
>>
>> When I first went to finger tips I had a lot of hand pain. This was
>> because I was not prepared nor did I have someone to guide me in the
>> different methods for releasing the ball. One post here mentions
>> having someone coach you ... believe it and do it.
>>
>
> Question about that - Was it hand pain.. or more like tendonitus (sp?)?
> Was
> it limited to your hand, or was your wrist also sore or tender?
>
> Just a couple of weeks ago, I switched to a fingertip drill and a reactive
> ball after throwing a straight ball (house balls and for the last three or
> four years a plastic Brusnwick) as a casual bowler for most of my life...
> In ten days, my game changed dramatically. My league average is in the
> high
> 140s... My last 15 games have all exceeded 180. In fact, I threw my
> lifetime high game 4 games in a row (204 - 208 - 220 - 224). Before that,
> my high game was a 180, and I did that over a year ago. I've gone from
> consistantly throwing 146's and 150's to every game being over 180, and
> more
> than 50% of my games being around or over 200.
>
> Anyway, my wrist is killing me. I've taken the last 4 days off, and it
> isn't feeling any better. - I'm reluctant to change anything I'm doing
> because of the huge improvement in my scores... but I've got league play
> in
> about 16 hours from now, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to "grin and
> bear
> it" for three games. I have to be doing something wrong, I suppose. I
> don't see other bowlers nursing sore wrists...
>
> So, I have to wonder if this has been a problem for others. - I'll take
> your advice and have someone teach me a little more about what I'm doing
> and
> perhaps they might see something I'm doing wrong that is causing my
> problem.
> But, I still have to wonder if others ever suffer from this sort of thing.
>
>




    
Date: 16 Jan 2005 14:59:43
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Jack B wrote:
> Cudoos for the good bowling ... stop what you are doing if you are
> having pain! As I said in a previous post, when ever you change
> anything like grip change, use a lighter weight ball until you get
> used to the change.

I might do that. I was thinking that a lighter ball might be helpful for a
while.

>
> 1. how old are you? did you increase the weigth of your new ball?

36 - and I've been using a 15 lb ball (the plastic brunswick I mentioned is
15lb - replaced it with a Columbia Jeckyll 15lb)

> 2. how does the span feel? do feel like you have to stretch you hand /
> fingers to fit the ball? or do you feel like to have to squeeze it
> fit you hand?

It seems a good fit. I've never used a fingertip grip before, so it feels a
lot "different" but the span feels right and it holds on to my hand through
my swing.

> 3. related question to #2 - do you feel like your fingers and thumb
> are loose? do you fell like you have to grip the ball to keep it from
> falling off your hand?

I don't think I'm squeezing the ball - It was 20 below here the other day
and I had to put a peice of tape in the thumb hole until my hand warmed up,
though. That is unavoidable. I live far enough north that 20 to 40 below
zero on the farenheight scale is not an uncommon thing. Coming in from the
cold, it takes a while for the circulation to fully return ;)

> 4. are you cupping your wrist excessively to get the roll you desire?
> here is a really important one .. are you hitting up on the ball or
> rolling the ball?

I'm trying not to let my wrist "break" the way I did when I was throwing a
straight ball. So.. I suppose I'm cupping. I'm not hitting up on the
ball. I don't get any loft. I release at my ankle height. - I don't
really know if I'm exactly "rolling" the ball either. My ball is designed
to skid then flip. It does that. I don't get a whole lot of revs with my
release, but I get enough that when the ball hist the dry, it turns (and
lately, often it turns into the pocket)

> 5. finally, do you feel like your hand rotates radically at the point
> release?

Not really. However, I feel like I don't have enough strength sometimes.
It's a little hard to put it in words, but when I'm coming to the point in
my swing where I'm about to release, I feel a little off-balance. I wish I
had better words for it, though. I'm a big fellow. 5'10" and around
250lbs. I'm carrying a little extra weight, but I have broader shoulders
and a thicker chest than most people. So, I'm not used to ever feeling like
I don't have enough strength to accomplish something properly. I don't
throw the ball very hard, and I don't get a whole lot of revs. The house
radar says my average ball is around16mph (but I question the acuracy - and
I wonder where they are taking the reading).

<snip >
>stop what
> you are doing until you can have a coach or instructor help you.

I'm going to do that. The pro-shop guy is a youth coach. I'll ask him if
he also instructs adults, or if he can recommend someone. I decided that on
my third game of league bowling the other night. I had two good games, and
then my wrist was bothering me quite a bit and the third game may have been
the worst I've ever bowled (I think it was 81 pins). I've been rubbing my
wrist with aspercream three times a day since then and this afternoon is the
first I've even felt up to using my keyboard and mouse.

<snip >
>
> get some help ASAP ... let me know how you are progressing. BTW ...
> where do you bowl?

Sleeping Giant Lanes - Helena, MT. USA
sometimes Capitol City Bowl - Helena, MT.
and sometimes Lucky Lanes - Townsend MT.




     
Date: 16 Jan 2005 15:23:46
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Well, we are in the same hemisphere .. I live in the Seattle area. I
understand the issue regarding cold equipment. I used to keep my stuff in my
car and suffered through cold finger and thumb holes. Now I keep everything
at home.

When you say you are off-balance at the foul line ... are you "stepping off"
after you throw your shot? Do you hop at the foul line? How is your
consistancy hitting your the mark? Do you feel any strain in your back after
you roll a shot? Does the wrist pain feel like it is traveling up your arm?
Do you ever feel no pain sometimes? And when that happens are you balanced?
Can you hold your form at the foul line?

Typically a lack of balance at the foul line is a timing issue. There are
several things that can cause balance problems at the foul line. Usually an
insufficent push-a-way is the first part of the problem. It causes a
shortened back swing and the feet never get in sinc with the arm swing.
Additionally, the push-a-way is not timed correctly with the first step. And
an over extended push-a-way can cause the arm and feet to get out of sinc,
but usually that is not as big an issue. The second cause can be and
usually is tied to the push-a-way are fast feet. The feet move faster to
catch the balance of the body and arm swing. And fast feet can cause you to
miss your target; grab the ball; tug the shot; close your sholders too soon
at the point of release; pull your hips out of line with your direction to
the foul line.

Tied in all of that is your hand and wrist pain. Bad timing can cause you to
grip the ball at the wrong time (usually at the bottom of the swing) and
stress your wrist. As you mentioned you are a big strong guy. So, you may
not be aware of overturing your wrist or the snap of your wrist at release
until the pain hits.

Without seeing you bowl any suggestions I have are going to need to be
reviewed with your coach. But, I would recommend you watch your foot speed.
A timing exercise taught to me by a PBA coach is you take your ball and let
it swing by your side. While the ball is swinging take your steps as you
normally would. That is. as the ball swings forward take your first step
(assuming a 4 step approach). Now you will end up swinging the ball back and
forth through your steps. I want you to feel the timing of the ball swinging
and your foot work. Do this until you feel yourself balanced at the point of
release ( you can do this at home by the way). When you do this I want your
arm swing to be relaxed ... feeling the muscles around your sholder blade
engaging ... not your bicep, forearm or pictorial muscels. You should be
able to take fairly slow first step feeling the middle steps a little faster
in time with the ball swing. This is a great exercise to get timing back. I
do it once a week and I get comments about the smoothness of my approach and
release. I credit it to this exercise. One thing I failed to mention: when
swinging the ball get it into the swing by holding it waist to chest high
and letting GRAVITY do the work for you. Try to disengage any musceling of
the ball. And feel the sholder blade muscles doing the work.

That exercise can do several things for you. One get your timing working
correctly! Two, as you do this, along with a good knee bend, you will begin
to feel less stress in your hand and wrist. This is because at the bottom of
the swing you will feel the momentum of your swing and body coming together
at the same time. There are several other things this can do for you, but
please have your coach watch you when you do this. I suspect since you are a
big guy you may be grabbing the ball at least a little. Also, do you need to
swing your arm around your body? The more you can keep your arm swing in
straight line the easier it is to correct bad habits and timing problems.

I get a lot of guys that ask me to watch them and help them with what they
are doing. Over 90% of the time fast feet are the issue! A lot of people
think the only way they can get more ball speed is by running up to the foul
line and heaving the ball. If you watch the pros and good amatures, they get
ball speed by ball placement in their stance and extension at the
push-a-way. And in todays game with sports patterns. PBA patterns, bowling
ball designs on house conditions, high ball speed is not necessary or even
desired. Rotational direction and fingers placement at the point of release
is key. PBA bowlers work hard on direction control as much as anything else.
Just watch Duke, Angello (sp), Weber, and lately Bone III. Bone openingly
has said he has soften his release and work on tilt direction. Foot speed
and a good push-a-way can be for ever your friend when done right to allow
you to bowl well. Consistantly hitting your target and releasing the ball
the same way a pleasure to enjoy.

It sounds to a certain amount you are kind of there. The wrist and hand pain
for a young guy like you should not be part of your game. It makes me flench
just thinking about it. My experience with that has never left me! And I
have spent many years learning how to avoid hand pain. I sought out a
driller who understands hand and arm anatomy. That has been a great help for
finger pitches and span requirements. I have not had any hand pain for many
years now. So, it is possible.

Again, I am guessing a little here. And please , please have a coach watch
you. I hope some of this is a little helpful.

Jack B

"twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com > wrote in message
news:oridncXMR7OrfnfcRVn-ig@bresnan.com...
> Jack B wrote:
>> Cudoos for the good bowling ... stop what you are doing if you are
>> having pain! As I said in a previous post, when ever you change
>> anything like grip change, use a lighter weight ball until you get
>> used to the change.
>
> I might do that. I was thinking that a lighter ball might be helpful for
> a
> while.
>
>>
>> 1. how old are you? did you increase the weigth of your new ball?
>
> 36 - and I've been using a 15 lb ball (the plastic brunswick I mentioned
> is
> 15lb - replaced it with a Columbia Jeckyll 15lb)
>
>> 2. how does the span feel? do feel like you have to stretch you hand /
>> fingers to fit the ball? or do you feel like to have to squeeze it
>> fit you hand?
>
> It seems a good fit. I've never used a fingertip grip before, so it feels
> a
> lot "different" but the span feels right and it holds on to my hand
> through
> my swing.
>
>> 3. related question to #2 - do you feel like your fingers and thumb
>> are loose? do you fell like you have to grip the ball to keep it from
>> falling off your hand?
>
> I don't think I'm squeezing the ball - It was 20 below here the other day
> and I had to put a peice of tape in the thumb hole until my hand warmed
> up,
> though. That is unavoidable. I live far enough north that 20 to 40 below
> zero on the farenheight scale is not an uncommon thing. Coming in from
> the
> cold, it takes a while for the circulation to fully return ;)
>
>> 4. are you cupping your wrist excessively to get the roll you desire?
>> here is a really important one .. are you hitting up on the ball or
>> rolling the ball?
>
> I'm trying not to let my wrist "break" the way I did when I was throwing a
> straight ball. So.. I suppose I'm cupping. I'm not hitting up on the
> ball. I don't get any loft. I release at my ankle height. - I don't
> really know if I'm exactly "rolling" the ball either. My ball is designed
> to skid then flip. It does that. I don't get a whole lot of revs with my
> release, but I get enough that when the ball hist the dry, it turns (and
> lately, often it turns into the pocket)
>
>> 5. finally, do you feel like your hand rotates radically at the point
>> release?
>
> Not really. However, I feel like I don't have enough strength sometimes.
> It's a little hard to put it in words, but when I'm coming to the point in
> my swing where I'm about to release, I feel a little off-balance. I wish
> I
> had better words for it, though. I'm a big fellow. 5'10" and around
> 250lbs. I'm carrying a little extra weight, but I have broader shoulders
> and a thicker chest than most people. So, I'm not used to ever feeling
> like
> I don't have enough strength to accomplish something properly. I don't
> throw the ball very hard, and I don't get a whole lot of revs. The house
> radar says my average ball is around16mph (but I question the acuracy -
> and
> I wonder where they are taking the reading).
>
> <snip>
>>stop what
>> you are doing until you can have a coach or instructor help you.
>
> I'm going to do that. The pro-shop guy is a youth coach. I'll ask him if
> he also instructs adults, or if he can recommend someone. I decided that
> on
> my third game of league bowling the other night. I had two good games,
> and
> then my wrist was bothering me quite a bit and the third game may have
> been
> the worst I've ever bowled (I think it was 81 pins). I've been rubbing my
> wrist with aspercream three times a day since then and this afternoon is
> the
> first I've even felt up to using my keyboard and mouse.
>
> <snip>
>>
>> get some help ASAP ... let me know how you are progressing. BTW ...
>> where do you bowl?
>
> Sleeping Giant Lanes - Helena, MT. USA
> sometimes Capitol City Bowl - Helena, MT.
> and sometimes Lucky Lanes - Townsend MT.
>
>




      
Date: 19 Jan 2005 18:42:57
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Jack B wrote:
<snip >
>
> Again, I am guessing a little here. And please , please have a coach
> watch you. I hope some of this is a little helpful.
>

I took your advice and talked to a coach today. - It appears, I have to
re-learn how to bowl ;) . As mentioned in another thread, the ball and
drilling pattern were chosen on expert advice as the way to go to keep me
from having to change my approach, stroke, etc very much. Well, as of
today, I am holding the ball differently and I'm going to use 3 more feet of
approach space, and my delivery is nothing like it was before.

The fellow who worked with me today had me start my swing with my hand
already in the "handshake" position rather than with my palm facing up.
That by itself changed my swing somewhat and had the effect of increasing my
revs two-fold. With more revs, my ball was flipping too early. - So, I
had to speed up my ball so it would skid farther before flipping. - I'm
strong enough to do that, but using arm strength rather than a nice smooth
swing isn't the way to go for obvious reasons.

Long story short: Increasing the distance of my approach makes my swing
longer and also has me (and the ball) moving faster at the foul line. Then
it was just a matter of adjusting my mark... The result is a much different
approach, swing, grip, and all in all, a more powerful ball.

Bottom Line: I bowled three games with the coach and my wrist is no worse
off than when I walked into the alleys today. It was still a bit stiff and
sore before I started, but the new grip/swing/approach never caused me any
of the sharp pains I experienced last week during league play. I have this
week off from leagues so I'm going to rest the wrist until around next
Monday or Tuesday and then throw a few practice games with the new
"technique" and see how things go.




       
Date: 19 Jan 2005 21:32:41
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Good for you!!! Three cheers!! One additional piece of advice I will offer
is this: breath! Before you begin your bowling motion take a breath. This
will do a couple of things for you. First it will get some needed oxygen in
your system and relax you. Two by taking that second to take a breath you
get the opportunity to refocus on what you want to do and execute the shot.

It really sounds like you are moving in the right direction ... physically
and philosphically. Remember when you coach told you to not rush to the foul
line and let gravity and your own body motion swing the ball for you.

Keep me posted on your progress. It is always wonderful to hear a success
story like yours!

Jack B

"twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com > wrote in message
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> Jack B wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> Again, I am guessing a little here. And please , please have a coach
>> watch you. I hope some of this is a little helpful.
>>
>
> I took your advice and talked to a coach today. - It appears, I have to
> re-learn how to bowl ;) . As mentioned in another thread, the ball and
> drilling pattern were chosen on expert advice as the way to go to keep me
> from having to change my approach, stroke, etc very much. Well, as of
> today, I am holding the ball differently and I'm going to use 3 more feet
> of
> approach space, and my delivery is nothing like it was before.
>
> The fellow who worked with me today had me start my swing with my hand
> already in the "handshake" position rather than with my palm facing up.
> That by itself changed my swing somewhat and had the effect of increasing
> my
> revs two-fold. With more revs, my ball was flipping too early. - So, I
> had to speed up my ball so it would skid farther before flipping. - I'm
> strong enough to do that, but using arm strength rather than a nice smooth
> swing isn't the way to go for obvious reasons.
>
> Long story short: Increasing the distance of my approach makes my swing
> longer and also has me (and the ball) moving faster at the foul line.
> Then
> it was just a matter of adjusting my mark... The result is a much
> different
> approach, swing, grip, and all in all, a more powerful ball.
>
> Bottom Line: I bowled three games with the coach and my wrist is no worse
> off than when I walked into the alleys today. It was still a bit stiff
> and
> sore before I started, but the new grip/swing/approach never caused me any
> of the sharp pains I experienced last week during league play. I have
> this
> week off from leagues so I'm going to rest the wrist until around next
> Monday or Tuesday and then throw a few practice games with the new
> "technique" and see how things go.
>
>




        
Date: 25 Jan 2005 00:22:24
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Jack B wrote:
<snip >
>
> Keep me posted on your progress. It is always wonderful to hear a
> success story like yours!
>

Well, I went and threw a few games today. It didn't go as well as I had
hoped. My wrist is in good shape now, though. I had no pain whatsoever.

My new approach and release are giving me a little trouble. I left 10 pins
all day. It was good practice for picking up the 10, but I was really
surprized how consistantly I left it. In four games, I left it 29 times.
The majority of those balls looked perfect to me.. I mean, they were right
in the pocket. Apparently, they were not what they appeared to be, though.
That 10 stood up like it was nailed to the floor. Nothing touched it. It
didn't even wiggle. It got a bit frustrating.

The only strikes I put up today were when I missed my mark and went
brooklyn... and I didn't even get the satisfaction of very many of those.
By the middle of my fourth game, I was beginning to think I should move my
mark and try to go brooklyn every time <grin >.

Ahh, well. I suppose if bowling was easy, it wouldn't be much fun. ;)




         
Date: 25 Jan 2005 19:29:36
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Good job in your practice! There is usually one reason for 10 pins (righty
or 7 pins for a lefty) and that is the ball coming into the pocket too late.
The ball is hitting more toward the back side of the head pin instead of the
side or toward the front side of the pin. What happens is the ball does not
deflect into the 3 pin and the 3 hits the 6 at an awkward angle and the 6
"rings" around the 10. There are several adjustments you can make for this.
If you do not use the entire approach you can use the same line up and
target. All you need to do is take a half to a full step back. This allows
you to lay the ball down that half or full step back so you can move up the
break point up up to get the ball into the pocket sooner. The other thing is
to move your feet a board or two right and use the same target . Again you
will be changing the break point for the ball down lane. The last thing and
perhaps the most tricky is to change your ball speed. With this method you
would use your same start point, target and hand position. There are several
ways to change ball speed. I would recommend you discuss this with your
coach. He (or she) has been watching your footwork, arm swing, timing, etc
and knows what you need to do. This approach takes a lot of concentration
for each shot until you get in the groove of the swing and timing. Also, if
the lanes are changing to require ball speed you need to pay attention to
your ball after it passes your target. Todays reactive ball can start
jumping and over react. The old over - under condition!

One pro told me he anologizes bowling like steering a boat. The bowler is
the rudder streering the ball down the lane. If you can visualize that it
can help you adjust. When ever I am in the ten pin mode I usually don't
change too much. I have been told to shoot as though I am shooting for a
standing 5 pin. That is suppose to provide the ideal angle and shot to the
pocket. My adjustments are subtle. Pocket 10's are an indication you are not
that far off from a strike.

Discuss it with your coach. Let me know what he says,

Jack B

"twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com > wrote in message
news:Ft2dnURBb9CRbmjcRVn-ug@bresnan.com...
> Jack B wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> Keep me posted on your progress. It is always wonderful to hear a
>> success story like yours!
>>
>
> Well, I went and threw a few games today. It didn't go as well as I had
> hoped. My wrist is in good shape now, though. I had no pain whatsoever.
>
> My new approach and release are giving me a little trouble. I left 10
> pins
> all day. It was good practice for picking up the 10, but I was really
> surprized how consistantly I left it. In four games, I left it 29 times.
> The majority of those balls looked perfect to me.. I mean, they were
> right
> in the pocket. Apparently, they were not what they appeared to be,
> though.
> That 10 stood up like it was nailed to the floor. Nothing touched it. It
> didn't even wiggle. It got a bit frustrating.
>
> The only strikes I put up today were when I missed my mark and went
> brooklyn... and I didn't even get the satisfaction of very many of those.
> By the middle of my fourth game, I was beginning to think I should move my
> mark and try to go brooklyn every time <grin>.
>
> Ahh, well. I suppose if bowling was easy, it wouldn't be much fun. ;)
>
>




          
Date: 26 Jan 2005 14:24:28
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Jack B wrote:
>
> Discuss it with your coach. Let me know what he says,
>

I discovered my problem today. It was my grip. - When I was throwing a
straight ball, my index finger and little finger were spread wide. I watched
one of the better bowlers in my favorite house practice yesterday. When I
noticed how he holds the ball, I started thinking about it.

Bringing those fingers in increased my revs even more and I'm getting
another 1.5 to 2 degrees angle into the pocket now while hitting the same
mark. - My ball skids then flips, so it starts the hook at about 40 feet or
so. A couple more revs deepend my angle. Also, I think that bringing those
fingers in helped me to hit my mark more consistantly. I'm "pointing" at my
target with my index finger now. Perhaps it is only psychological, but I
only went brooklyn twice today. I hit my mark perfectly with almost every
ball.

I just played 4 games (practice, mind you... my oil didn't move much since
there weren't 9 other bowlers... and there were no distractions) and I again
put up the 4 highest scores of my life. My low was a 228. Had I known
learning to throw a hook could add 60 to 80 pins to my average in just a few
weeks, I would have done it a long time ago :-)




           
Date: 26 Jan 2005 17:54:50
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Thats great! There is a lot of discussion regarding fingers placement on the
ball (the index and little finger). One way to create more turn is to
place your little finger next to your ring finger and spread your index
finger away from your middle finger. Brian Himmler really spreads his index
finger just for this reason. Also, finger position at the bottom of the
swing at the point of release is another way of controlling break point
location down lane. Mike Alby keeps both fingers close together. He would
adjust break point by the fingers location at the bottom of his swing. He is
a real master at that. Earl Anthony was another great one for finger, wrist,
and placement at release. If you can get one of his training tapes it is
really helpful. Another suggestion would be John Jowdy's book. It is very
informative.

Sounds like you are on your way! Keep up. I expect to hear about your honor
scores very shortly.

Jack B

"twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com > wrote in message
news:NcOdnVTUF_97lGXcRVn-gw@bresnan.com...
> Jack B wrote:
>>
>> Discuss it with your coach. Let me know what he says,
>>
>
> I discovered my problem today. It was my grip. - When I was throwing a
> straight ball, my index finger and little finger were spread wide. I
> watched
> one of the better bowlers in my favorite house practice yesterday. When I
> noticed how he holds the ball, I started thinking about it.
>
> Bringing those fingers in increased my revs even more and I'm getting
> another 1.5 to 2 degrees angle into the pocket now while hitting the same
> mark. - My ball skids then flips, so it starts the hook at about 40 feet
> or
> so. A couple more revs deepend my angle. Also, I think that bringing
> those
> fingers in helped me to hit my mark more consistantly. I'm "pointing" at
> my
> target with my index finger now. Perhaps it is only psychological, but I
> only went brooklyn twice today. I hit my mark perfectly with almost every
> ball.
>
> I just played 4 games (practice, mind you... my oil didn't move much since
> there weren't 9 other bowlers... and there were no distractions) and I
> again
> put up the 4 highest scores of my life. My low was a 228. Had I known
> learning to throw a hook could add 60 to 80 pins to my average in just a
> few
> weeks, I would have done it a long time ago :-)
>
>




            
Date: 28 Jan 2005 21:35:12
From: Gator
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
I think you have the finger placement backwards. It is spread the pinkie to
increase revs. This way you have more "behind the ball" pressure. Moving the
index finger reduces the revs...

"Jack B" <elbundo1@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:O8ednZsDI8101GXcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
> Thats great! There is a lot of discussion regarding fingers placement on
the
> ball (the index and little finger). One way to create more turn is to
> place your little finger next to your ring finger and spread your index
> finger away from your middle finger. Brian Himmler really spreads his
index
> finger just for this reason. Also, finger position at the bottom of the
> swing at the point of release is another way of controlling break point
> location down lane. Mike Alby keeps both fingers close together. He would
> adjust break point by the fingers location at the bottom of his swing. He
is
> a real master at that. Earl Anthony was another great one for finger,
wrist,
> and placement at release. If you can get one of his training tapes it is
> really helpful. Another suggestion would be John Jowdy's book. It is very
> informative.
>
> Sounds like you are on your way! Keep up. I expect to hear about your
honor
> scores very shortly.
>
> Jack B
>
> "twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com> wrote in message
> news:NcOdnVTUF_97lGXcRVn-gw@bresnan.com...
> > Jack B wrote:
> >>
> >> Discuss it with your coach. Let me know what he says,
> >>
> >
> > I discovered my problem today. It was my grip. - When I was throwing
a
> > straight ball, my index finger and little finger were spread wide. I
> > watched
> > one of the better bowlers in my favorite house practice yesterday. When
I
> > noticed how he holds the ball, I started thinking about it.
> >
> > Bringing those fingers in increased my revs even more and I'm getting
> > another 1.5 to 2 degrees angle into the pocket now while hitting the
same
> > mark. - My ball skids then flips, so it starts the hook at about 40 feet
> > or
> > so. A couple more revs deepend my angle. Also, I think that bringing
> > those
> > fingers in helped me to hit my mark more consistantly. I'm "pointing"
at
> > my
> > target with my index finger now. Perhaps it is only psychological, but
I
> > only went brooklyn twice today. I hit my mark perfectly with almost
every
> > ball.
> >
> > I just played 4 games (practice, mind you... my oil didn't move much
since
> > there weren't 9 other bowlers... and there were no distractions) and I
> > again
> > put up the 4 highest scores of my life. My low was a 228. Had I known
> > learning to throw a hook could add 60 to 80 pins to my average in just a
> > few
> > weeks, I would have done it a long time ago :-)
> >
> >
>
>




             
Date: 10 Feb 2005 16:24:23
From: twobirds
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Gator wrote:
> I think you have the finger placement backwards. It is spread the
> pinkie to increase revs. This way you have more "behind the ball"
> pressure. Moving the index finger reduces the revs...
>

For those who receive American Bowler Quarterly, there is a good article by
Chris Barnes entitled "Finger Magic" in the current issue p.20. He says
that spreading the pinky will promote end over end roll. He says to use it
with a straight wrist while staying behind the ball for spares.




             
Date: 28 Jan 2005 20:23:19
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
I have tried it both ways and noticed that hand turn at the bottom of the
swing is slightly easier with the pinkie tuck in. An increase
in revs can be obtained by extending the index finger away from the ball and
not squeezing the ball. Keeping you hand behind the ball is necessary
regardless of finger position. Topping the ball or chicken winging the shot
is a function of a bad push away and timing glitch. Usually the arm swing
does not swing behind the body but out to the side causing an outside in
swing direction of travel. If it is easier for you to tuck the index finger
and spread the pinkie to get the hand turn then that is what you ought to
do. My suggestion are from my experiences and successes. They no doubt will
differ with others. For instance today I rarely cup my wrist! My wrist is
usually flat and my finger position a the bottom of the swing is at the 6:30
or 7:00. By ejecting my thumb just before release I get a natural turn as my
fingers exit. This method along with a good knee bend gives me a lot of
options such as break point location and forward roll. Next time Himmler is
on TV take notice of the position of his fingers. Steve Hoskins has a
similar style. He told me he occassionally will release his wrist just
before release and re-cup it at release. That takes an amazing amout of
strength with a 16# ball!

Jack B

"Gator" <gator@ourworld.cc > wrote in message
news:keyKd.3111$JO2.1159@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I think you have the finger placement backwards. It is spread the pinkie to
> increase revs. This way you have more "behind the ball" pressure. Moving
> the
> index finger reduces the revs...
>
> "Jack B" <elbundo1@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:O8ednZsDI8101GXcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
>> Thats great! There is a lot of discussion regarding fingers placement on
> the
>> ball (the index and little finger). One way to create more turn is to
>> place your little finger next to your ring finger and spread your index
>> finger away from your middle finger. Brian Himmler really spreads his
> index
>> finger just for this reason. Also, finger position at the bottom of the
>> swing at the point of release is another way of controlling break point
>> location down lane. Mike Alby keeps both fingers close together. He would
>> adjust break point by the fingers location at the bottom of his swing. He
> is
>> a real master at that. Earl Anthony was another great one for finger,
> wrist,
>> and placement at release. If you can get one of his training tapes it is
>> really helpful. Another suggestion would be John Jowdy's book. It is very
>> informative.
>>
>> Sounds like you are on your way! Keep up. I expect to hear about your
> honor
>> scores very shortly.
>>
>> Jack B
>>
>> "twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com> wrote in message
>> news:NcOdnVTUF_97lGXcRVn-gw@bresnan.com...
>> > Jack B wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Discuss it with your coach. Let me know what he says,
>> >>
>> >
>> > I discovered my problem today. It was my grip. - When I was throwing
> a
>> > straight ball, my index finger and little finger were spread wide. I
>> > watched
>> > one of the better bowlers in my favorite house practice yesterday.
>> > When
> I
>> > noticed how he holds the ball, I started thinking about it.
>> >
>> > Bringing those fingers in increased my revs even more and I'm getting
>> > another 1.5 to 2 degrees angle into the pocket now while hitting the
> same
>> > mark. - My ball skids then flips, so it starts the hook at about 40
>> > feet
>> > or
>> > so. A couple more revs deepend my angle. Also, I think that bringing
>> > those
>> > fingers in helped me to hit my mark more consistantly. I'm "pointing"
> at
>> > my
>> > target with my index finger now. Perhaps it is only psychological, but
> I
>> > only went brooklyn twice today. I hit my mark perfectly with almost
> every
>> > ball.
>> >
>> > I just played 4 games (practice, mind you... my oil didn't move much
> since
>> > there weren't 9 other bowlers... and there were no distractions) and I
>> > again
>> > put up the 4 highest scores of my life. My low was a 228. Had I known
>> > learning to throw a hook could add 60 to 80 pins to my average in just
>> > a
>> > few
>> > weeks, I would have done it a long time ago :-)
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>




             
Date: 28 Jan 2005 18:58:22
From: Paul Horvick
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Also, foor many players, spreading the finger lowers the track, ...makes it
easier to impart spin, which may not be desired :)
"Gator" <gator@ourworld.cc > wrote in message
news:keyKd.3111$JO2.1159@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I think you have the finger placement backwards. It is spread the pinkie to
> increase revs. This way you have more "behind the ball" pressure. Moving
> the
> index finger reduces the revs...
>
> "Jack B" <elbundo1@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:O8ednZsDI8101GXcRVn-2A@comcast.com...
>> Thats great! There is a lot of discussion regarding fingers placement on
> the
>> ball (the index and little finger). One way to create more turn is to
>> place your little finger next to your ring finger and spread your index
>> finger away from your middle finger. Brian Himmler really spreads his
> index
>> finger just for this reason. Also, finger position at the bottom of the
>> swing at the point of release is another way of controlling break point
>> location down lane. Mike Alby keeps both fingers close together. He would
>> adjust break point by the fingers location at the bottom of his swing. He
> is
>> a real master at that. Earl Anthony was another great one for finger,
> wrist,
>> and placement at release. If you can get one of his training tapes it is
>> really helpful. Another suggestion would be John Jowdy's book. It is very
>> informative.
>>
>> Sounds like you are on your way! Keep up. I expect to hear about your
> honor
>> scores very shortly.
>>
>> Jack B
>>
>> "twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com> wrote in message
>> news:NcOdnVTUF_97lGXcRVn-gw@bresnan.com...
>> > Jack B wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Discuss it with your coach. Let me know what he says,
>> >>
>> >
>> > I discovered my problem today. It was my grip. - When I was throwing
> a
>> > straight ball, my index finger and little finger were spread wide. I
>> > watched
>> > one of the better bowlers in my favorite house practice yesterday.
>> > When
> I
>> > noticed how he holds the ball, I started thinking about it.
>> >
>> > Bringing those fingers in increased my revs even more and I'm getting
>> > another 1.5 to 2 degrees angle into the pocket now while hitting the
> same
>> > mark. - My ball skids then flips, so it starts the hook at about 40
>> > feet
>> > or
>> > so. A couple more revs deepend my angle. Also, I think that bringing
>> > those
>> > fingers in helped me to hit my mark more consistantly. I'm "pointing"
> at
>> > my
>> > target with my index finger now. Perhaps it is only psychological, but
> I
>> > only went brooklyn twice today. I hit my mark perfectly with almost
> every
>> > ball.
>> >
>> > I just played 4 games (practice, mind you... my oil didn't move much
> since
>> > there weren't 9 other bowlers... and there were no distractions) and I
>> > again
>> > put up the 4 highest scores of my life. My low was a 228. Had I known
>> > learning to throw a hook could add 60 to 80 pins to my average in just
>> > a
>> > few
>> > weeks, I would have done it a long time ago :-)
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>




             
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Date: 25 Jan 2005 12:04:12
From: Jeff Rife
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
twobirds (notareal@eaddy.com) wrote in alt.sport.bowling:
> My new approach and release are giving me a little trouble. I left 10 pins
> all day. It was good practice for picking up the 10, but I was really
> surprized how consistantly I left it. In four games, I left it 29 times.
> The majority of those balls looked perfect to me.

The good news is that your new release allows you to be consistent. The
bad news is that you were throwing in the wrong place. A little move
of either your feet or your mark probably would have solved the 10-pin
problem.

--
Jeff Rife


         
Date: 25 Jan 2005 08:08:20
From: mhood
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
twobirds wrote:

>
>Ahh, well. I suppose if bowling was easy, it wouldn't be much fun. ;)
>
>
>
>
So true! We'd all have a drawer full of 300 rings and would have long
ago taken up golf.

mhood


         
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Date: 18 Jan 2005 22:39:52
From: Jeri Jo Thomas
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
From the trenches *elbundo1@comcast.net* sent a runner with this
important missive...

Q:Again, I am guessing a little here. And please , please have a coach watch
Q:you. I hope some of this is a little helpful.
Q:
Any time someone writes such good advice I always save it. So, based on
this excellent post I'd like to ask should someone offer advice on
another's approach to help them, or wait for the person to ask for
help?

One of my team mates has an approach that sets her up in such a way
that she knows her release is bad, but she won't do anything to improve
it. First, she holds her ball straight down. Her forward swing is very
short. Her back swing isn't much longer, plus she curves the ball
somewhat behind her. At release she's turned to the side, and her
straight ball goes exactly where her body is pointing which isn't the
pocket. I don't think she spot bowls, but on release, she not looking
toward the pins either, and more than not she'll jerk the release. I'm
not going to say that she's a horrible bowler because some nights she
gets good shots, but she's so inconsistent. She complains about
shoulder pain and I suspect it because of how she holds her ball
straight down, and she has a bit of one finger missing which she wraps
in elastic tape so she also has some finger pain.

Would a fingertip ball be beneficial to her?

She shows up to bowl after shadow ball begins and will do lots of other
things than getting ready to bowl, so when league starts she hasn't
thrown one practice ball and there's no time for hints and tips during
play.

So, how would you encourage this bowler to work at her approach based
on your post?
--
<* ><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
The Peripatetic Samurai Robot!
<* ><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


       
Date: 19 Jan 2005 01:08:29
From: Joe Zachar
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
The first thing is never give advise unless you are asked. You might
end up in a situation where she quits the team because of the added
pressure. If you really want to improve her game you may suggest that
the team go out and practice sometime. This way there is no pressure to
win the game. It is only practice and a time to try new things. She
may see that warming up before she bowls may improve her game.

Everybody has their own skill level and what they expect from bowling.
Too many times winning is substituted for having fun. Did you ever ask
her if she is having fun? If she is, then that is another indication to
leave her alone. In other words, don't spoil her fun just because you
are on another skill level of bowling and want to win. You shouldn't
get too excited either because this is what happens in mixed leagues
(and this is where I should start taking my own advise on mixed league).

Joe Z



Jeri Jo Thomas wrote:

>From the trenches *elbundo1@comcast.net* sent a runner with this
>important missive...
>
> Q:Again, I am guessing a little here. And please , please have a coach watch
> Q:you. I hope some of this is a little helpful.
> Q:
>Any time someone writes such good advice I always save it. So, based on
>this excellent post I'd like to ask should someone offer advice on
>another's approach to help them, or wait for the person to ask for
>help?
>
>One of my team mates has an approach that sets her up in such a way
>that she knows her release is bad, but she won't do anything to improve
>it. First, she holds her ball straight down. Her forward swing is very
>short. Her back swing isn't much longer, plus she curves the ball
>somewhat behind her. At release she's turned to the side, and her
>straight ball goes exactly where her body is pointing which isn't the
>pocket. I don't think she spot bowls, but on release, she not looking
>toward the pins either, and more than not she'll jerk the release. I'm
>not going to say that she's a horrible bowler because some nights she
>gets good shots, but she's so inconsistent. She complains about
>shoulder pain and I suspect it because of how she holds her ball
>straight down, and she has a bit of one finger missing which she wraps
>in elastic tape so she also has some finger pain.
>
>Would a fingertip ball be beneficial to her?
>
>She shows up to bowl after shadow ball begins and will do lots of other
>things than getting ready to bowl, so when league starts she hasn't
>thrown one practice ball and there's no time for hints and tips during
>play.
>
>So, how would you encourage this bowler to work at her approach based
>on your post?
>
>



        
Date: 19 Jan 2005 20:17:32
From: Jeri Jo Thomas
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
From the trenches *jzacharzard@optonline.net* sent a runner with this
important missive...

Q:The first thing is never give advise unless you are asked. You might
Q:end up in a situation where she quits the team because of the added
Q:pressure. If you really want to improve her game you may suggest that
Q:the team go out and practice sometime. This way there is no pressure to
Q:win the game. It is only practice and a time to try new things. She
Q:may see that warming up before she bowls may improve her game.
Q:
I wish we could get together to practice, but she's the only one
without a day job, and she has as child and she can't just up and come
out. And it's not that I want to improve her game, it's that I want her
to want to improve. She's gotten hints from me a long ago and hints
from the best female bowler in the house (not me) with whom she bowls
on another night, but the hints and tips don't stick. She might start
out with better form, but a few frames in she's back to her usual mode
of bowling.

And as an example of warming up, last Wednesday she does come in time
to shadow bowl, but what does she do? She starts selling candles to
other people. I asked her, "Don't you think you ought to throw a couple
of balls to warm up?" Her reply, "Why?" So, okay. I didn't say another
word.

Q:Everybody has their own skill level and what they expect from bowling.
Q:Too many times winning is substituted for having fun. Did you ever ask
Q:her if she is having fun? If she is, then that is another indication to
Q:leave her alone. In other words, don't spoil her fun just because you
Q:are on another skill level of bowling and want to win. You shouldn't
Q:get too excited either because this is what happens in mixed leagues
Q:(and this is where I should start taking my own advise on mixed league).
Q:
I absolutely agree with your first sentence. I'm not desperate to win,
heck we're at or near last place and that's fine with me, but is she
having fun? She is when she's doing well, getting strikes and picking
up spares, but when she isn't doing well, when she has 90 in the 9th
frame she might not be happy, but she doesn't seem to have a 'what can
I do to improve' mind-set, either. In the end, tho, I don't say
anything.

I'm always studying the good bowlers to see if I can incorporate their
techniques into my own, she, and so many other female bowlers, don't.
Sure it's 2 1/2 hours away from husbands and kids for female
companionship and girl-chat, but good bowling can go along with the
chit-chat, too, can't it?
--
<* ><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>
The Peripatetic Samurai Robot!
<* ><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*>


        
Date: 18 Jan 2005 23:16:51
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Good advice Joesph! I think that is the general direction I was heading ..

Jack B
"Joe Zachar" <jzacharzard@optonline.net > wrote in message
news:41EDF95D.7070100@optonline.net...
> The first thing is never give advise unless you are asked. You might end
> up in a situation where she quits the team because of the added pressure.
> If you really want to improve her game you may suggest that the team go
> out and practice sometime. This way there is no pressure to win the game.
> It is only practice and a time to try new things. She may see that
> warming up before she bowls may improve her game.
>
> Everybody has their own skill level and what they expect from bowling. Too
> many times winning is substituted for having fun. Did you ever ask her if
> she is having fun? If she is, then that is another indication to leave
> her alone. In other words, don't spoil her fun just because you are on
> another skill level of bowling and want to win. You shouldn't get too
> excited either because this is what happens in mixed leagues (and this is
> where I should start taking my own advise on mixed league).
>
> Joe Z
>
>
>
> Jeri Jo Thomas wrote:
>
>>From the trenches *elbundo1@comcast.net* sent a runner with this important
>>missive...
>> Q:Again, I am guessing a little here. And please , please have a coach
>> watch Q:you. I hope some of this is a little helpful.
>> Q:
>>Any time someone writes such good advice I always save it. So, based on
>>this excellent post I'd like to ask should someone offer advice on
>>another's approach to help them, or wait for the person to ask for help?
>>
>>One of my team mates has an approach that sets her up in such a way that
>>she knows her release is bad, but she won't do anything to improve it.
>>First, she holds her ball straight down. Her forward swing is very short.
>>Her back swing isn't much longer, plus she curves the ball somewhat behind
>>her. At release she's turned to the side, and her straight ball goes
>>exactly where her body is pointing which isn't the pocket. I don't think
>>she spot bowls, but on release, she not looking toward the pins either,
>>and more than not she'll jerk the release. I'm not going to say that she's
>>a horrible bowler because some nights she gets good shots, but she's so
>>inconsistent. She complains about shoulder pain and I suspect it because
>>of how she holds her ball straight down, and she has a bit of one finger
>>missing which she wraps in elastic tape so she also has some finger pain.
>>
>>Would a fingertip ball be beneficial to her?
>>
>>She shows up to bowl after shadow ball begins and will do lots of other
>>things than getting ready to bowl, so when league starts she hasn't thrown
>>one practice ball and there's no time for hints and tips during play.
>>
>>So, how would you encourage this bowler to work at her approach based on
>>your post?
>>
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Date: 19 Jan 2005 12:39:48
From: Smokey
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> First, she holds her ball straight down. Her forward swing is very
> short. Her back swing isn't much longer, plus she curves the ball
> somewhat behind her.

Initially sounds like the ball is too heavy for her. What weight is it?

Next, if the weight is OK, then she should be referred to a Certified Coach
UNLESS, as has been suggested, she's not interested in "improving" (i.e.
just wants to "socialize").

That's myu few bytes. :)




       
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From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
> straight down, and she has a bit of one finger missing which she wraps
> in elastic tape so she also has some finger pain.

Based on the above ... I am not sure finger tip drill would work!

It sounds like there are a lot of basic fundenmental issues that need to be
addressed. Posting that here would be impossible to deal with.

> She shows up to bowl after shadow ball begins and will do lots of other
> things than getting ready to bowl, so when league starts she hasn't
> thrown one practice ball and there's no time for hints and tips during
> play.

Is she really interested in bowling like you seem to be? She sounds like
someone who like the social aspect of league bowling (I am assuming this is
a league) than maybe you might be. If that is the case, she probably would
not be interested in changing too much. But as I posted before .. there is
nothing like a local coach or instructor.

If after reading this you are still in the mind to help her dispite herself;
then make the suggestion to see a coach. Be perpared to pay for it yourself
as well! After all you are making the suggestion - right! But then again
maybe she will suprise you and want the help!! I have in the past ask people
I bowl with if they want help? And suggest a good coach if I know one!

My wife and I bowl with a couple in a mixed handicap league. The husband is
happy with his game and only wants a little suggestion to help his game. His
wife on the other hand always asks for advice. Mostly where to stand to pick
up spares.

In the two scratch leagues I bowl in .. most of the guys don't ask for any
help of any kind. And quite rightly so. I ask when I feel like I am doing
something wrong. I enjoy good coaching and the knowledge is invaluable! You
need to find out if your friend is one of those people.

Like anything, is takes a certain amount of desire and initative to want to
improve and do well.

Good luck,

Jack B

"Jeri Jo Thomas" <katana365@earthlink.net > wrote in message
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> From the trenches *elbundo1@comcast.net* sent a runner with this
> important missive...
>
> Q:Again, I am guessing a little here. And please , please have a coach
> watch
> Q:you. I hope some of this is a little helpful.
> Q:
> Any time someone writes such good advice I always save it. So, based on
> this excellent post I'd like to ask should someone offer advice on
> another's approach to help them, or wait for the person to ask for
> help?
>
> One of my team mates has an approach that sets her up in such a way
> that she knows her release is bad, but she won't do anything to improve
> it. First, she holds her ball straight down. Her forward swing is very
> short. Her back swing isn't much longer, plus she curves the ball
> somewhat behind her. At release she's turned to the side, and her
> straight ball goes exactly where her body is pointing which isn't the
> pocket. I don't think she spot bowls, but on release, she not looking
> toward the pins either, and more than not she'll jerk the release. I'm
> not going to say that she's a horrible bowler because some nights she
> gets good shots, but she's so inconsistent. She complains about
> shoulder pain and I suspect it because of how she holds her ball
> straight down, and she has a bit of one finger missing which she wraps
> in elastic tape so she also has some finger pain.
>
> Would a fingertip ball be beneficial to her?
>
> She shows up to bowl after shadow ball begins and will do lots of other
> things than getting ready to bowl, so when league starts she hasn't
> thrown one practice ball and there's no time for hints and tips during
> play.
>
> So, how would you encourage this bowler to work at her approach based
> on your post?
> --
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Date: 16 Jan 2005 15:33:13
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Just as an aside ... I do not use a wrist brace and never have. The
suggestions I made have allowed me to get the rotations I want and revs I
need. As well as reducing revs and adjust rotation. I started bowling when I
was 40. I never figured I would bowl a 300. With the exception of three
years I took off for a knee injury, I bowled my first 300 in 2002. And nine
more since. The timing exercise has been a real influence. I am 54 now and
enjoy the game more than ever.

Just an FYI

Jack B

"Jack B" <elbundo1@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> Well, we are in the same hemisphere .. I live in the Seattle area. I
> understand the issue regarding cold equipment. I used to keep my stuff in
> my car and suffered through cold finger and thumb holes. Now I keep
> everything at home.
>
> When you say you are off-balance at the foul line ... are you "stepping
> off" after you throw your shot? Do you hop at the foul line? How is your
> consistancy hitting your the mark? Do you feel any strain in your back
> after you roll a shot? Does the wrist pain feel like it is traveling up
> your arm? Do you ever feel no pain sometimes? And when that happens are
> you balanced? Can you hold your form at the foul line?
>
> Typically a lack of balance at the foul line is a timing issue. There are
> several things that can cause balance problems at the foul line. Usually
> an insufficent push-a-way is the first part of the problem. It causes a
> shortened back swing and the feet never get in sinc with the arm swing.
> Additionally, the push-a-way is not timed correctly with the first step.
> And an over extended push-a-way can cause the arm and feet to get out of
> sinc, but usually that is not as big an issue. The second cause can be
> and usually is tied to the push-a-way are fast feet. The feet move faster
> to catch the balance of the body and arm swing. And fast feet can cause
> you to miss your target; grab the ball; tug the shot; close your sholders
> too soon at the point of release; pull your hips out of line with your
> direction to the foul line.
>
> Tied in all of that is your hand and wrist pain. Bad timing can cause you
> to grip the ball at the wrong time (usually at the bottom of the swing)
> and stress your wrist. As you mentioned you are a big strong guy. So, you
> may not be aware of overturing your wrist or the snap of your wrist at
> release until the pain hits.
>
> Without seeing you bowl any suggestions I have are going to need to be
> reviewed with your coach. But, I would recommend you watch your foot
> speed. A timing exercise taught to me by a PBA coach is you take your ball
> and let it swing by your side. While the ball is swinging take your steps
> as you normally would. That is. as the ball swings forward take your first
> step (assuming a 4 step approach). Now you will end up swinging the ball
> back and forth through your steps. I want you to feel the timing of the
> ball swinging and your foot work. Do this until you feel yourself balanced
> at the point of release ( you can do this at home by the way). When you do
> this I want your arm swing to be relaxed ... feeling the muscles around
> your sholder blade engaging ... not your bicep, forearm or pictorial
> muscels. You should be able to take fairly slow first step feeling the
> middle steps a little faster in time with the ball swing. This is a great
> exercise to get timing back. I do it once a week and I get comments about
> the smoothness of my approach and release. I credit it to this exercise.
> One thing I failed to mention: when swinging the ball get it into the
> swing by holding it waist to chest high and letting GRAVITY do the work
> for you. Try to disengage any musceling of the ball. And feel the sholder
> blade muscles doing the work.
>
> That exercise can do several things for you. One get your timing working
> correctly! Two, as you do this, along with a good knee bend, you will
> begin to feel less stress in your hand and wrist. This is because at the
> bottom of the swing you will feel the momentum of your swing and body
> coming together at the same time. There are several other things this can
> do for you, but please have your coach watch you when you do this. I
> suspect since you are a big guy you may be grabbing the ball at least a
> little. Also, do you need to swing your arm around your body? The more you
> can keep your arm swing in straight line the easier it is to correct bad
> habits and timing problems.
>
> I get a lot of guys that ask me to watch them and help them with what they
> are doing. Over 90% of the time fast feet are the issue! A lot of people
> think the only way they can get more ball speed is by running up to the
> foul line and heaving the ball. If you watch the pros and good amatures,
> they get ball speed by ball placement in their stance and extension at the
> push-a-way. And in todays game with sports patterns. PBA patterns, bowling
> ball designs on house conditions, high ball speed is not necessary or even
> desired. Rotational direction and fingers placement at the point of
> release is key. PBA bowlers work hard on direction control as much as
> anything else. Just watch Duke, Angello (sp), Weber, and lately Bone III.
> Bone openingly has said he has soften his release and work on tilt
> direction. Foot speed and a good push-a-way can be for ever your friend
> when done right to allow you to bowl well. Consistantly hitting your
> target and releasing the ball the same way a pleasure to enjoy.
>
> It sounds to a certain amount you are kind of there. The wrist and hand
> pain for a young guy like you should not be part of your game. It makes me
> flench just thinking about it. My experience with that has never left me!
> And I have spent many years learning how to avoid hand pain. I sought out
> a driller who understands hand and arm anatomy. That has been a great help
> for finger pitches and span requirements. I have not had any hand pain for
> many years now. So, it is possible.
>
> Again, I am guessing a little here. And please , please have a coach watch
> you. I hope some of this is a little helpful.
>
> Jack B
>
> "twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com> wrote in message
> news:oridncXMR7OrfnfcRVn-ig@bresnan.com...
>> Jack B wrote:
>>> Cudoos for the good bowling ... stop what you are doing if you are
>>> having pain! As I said in a previous post, when ever you change
>>> anything like grip change, use a lighter weight ball until you get
>>> used to the change.
>>
>> I might do that. I was thinking that a lighter ball might be helpful for
>> a
>> while.
>>
>>>
>>> 1. how old are you? did you increase the weigth of your new ball?
>>
>> 36 - and I've been using a 15 lb ball (the plastic brunswick I mentioned
>> is
>> 15lb - replaced it with a Columbia Jeckyll 15lb)
>>
>>> 2. how does the span feel? do feel like you have to stretch you hand /
>>> fingers to fit the ball? or do you feel like to have to squeeze it
>>> fit you hand?
>>
>> It seems a good fit. I've never used a fingertip grip before, so it
>> feels a
>> lot "different" but the span feels right and it holds on to my hand
>> through
>> my swing.
>>
>>> 3. related question to #2 - do you feel like your fingers and thumb
>>> are loose? do you fell like you have to grip the ball to keep it from
>>> falling off your hand?
>>
>> I don't think I'm squeezing the ball - It was 20 below here the other day
>> and I had to put a peice of tape in the thumb hole until my hand warmed
>> up,
>> though. That is unavoidable. I live far enough north that 20 to 40
>> below
>> zero on the farenheight scale is not an uncommon thing. Coming in from
>> the
>> cold, it takes a while for the circulation to fully return ;)
>>
>>> 4. are you cupping your wrist excessively to get the roll you desire?
>>> here is a really important one .. are you hitting up on the ball or
>>> rolling the ball?
>>
>> I'm trying not to let my wrist "break" the way I did when I was throwing
>> a
>> straight ball. So.. I suppose I'm cupping. I'm not hitting up on the
>> ball. I don't get any loft. I release at my ankle height. - I don't
>> really know if I'm exactly "rolling" the ball either. My ball is
>> designed
>> to skid then flip. It does that. I don't get a whole lot of revs with
>> my
>> release, but I get enough that when the ball hist the dry, it turns (and
>> lately, often it turns into the pocket)
>>
>>> 5. finally, do you feel like your hand rotates radically at the point
>>> release?
>>
>> Not really. However, I feel like I don't have enough strength sometimes.
>> It's a little hard to put it in words, but when I'm coming to the point
>> in
>> my swing where I'm about to release, I feel a little off-balance. I wish
>> I
>> had better words for it, though. I'm a big fellow. 5'10" and around
>> 250lbs. I'm carrying a little extra weight, but I have broader shoulders
>> and a thicker chest than most people. So, I'm not used to ever feeling
>> like
>> I don't have enough strength to accomplish something properly. I don't
>> throw the ball very hard, and I don't get a whole lot of revs. The house
>> radar says my average ball is around16mph (but I question the acuracy -
>> and
>> I wonder where they are taking the reading).
>>
>> <snip>
>>>stop what
>>> you are doing until you can have a coach or instructor help you.
>>
>> I'm going to do that. The pro-shop guy is a youth coach. I'll ask him
>> if
>> he also instructs adults, or if he can recommend someone. I decided that
>> on
>> my third game of league bowling the other night. I had two good games,
>> and
>> then my wrist was bothering me quite a bit and the third game may have
>> been
>> the worst I've ever bowled (I think it was 81 pins). I've been rubbing
>> my
>> wrist with aspercream three times a day since then and this afternoon is
>> the
>> first I've even felt up to using my keyboard and mouse.
>>
>> <snip>
>>>
>>> get some help ASAP ... let me know how you are progressing. BTW ...
>>> where do you bowl?
>>
>> Sleeping Giant Lanes - Helena, MT. USA
>> sometimes Capitol City Bowl - Helena, MT.
>> and sometimes Lucky Lanes - Townsend MT.
>>
>>
>
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Date: 15 Jan 2005 09:04:28
From: Jack B
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
Just to reinforce the issue of pain. When I first started to bowl and I
thought you had hit up on the ball all the time and have a extremely cupped
wrist I nearly runied myself. I bowled in a few pro-ams and all the pros
told me they had no pain when bowling. The big crankers to the strokers. So,
I took that as a big warning to stop what I was doing. One PBA / proshop
owner told me early on to learn how to just roll the ball. The ball will to
a greater or lesser degree do the rest!

Jack B

"Jack B" <elbundo1@comcast.net > wrote in message
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> Cudoos for the good bowling ... stop what you are doing if you are having
> pain! As I said in a previous post, when ever you change anything like
> grip change, use a lighter weight ball until you get used to the change.
>
> I have the following questions?
>
> 1. how old are you? did you increase the weigth of your new ball?
> 2. how does the span feel? do feel like you have to stretch you hand /
> fingers to fit the ball? or do you feel like to have to squeeze it fit you
> hand?
> 3. related question to #2 - do you feel like your fingers and thumb are
> loose? do you fell like you have to grip the ball to keep it from falling
> off your hand?
> 4. are you cupping your wrist excessively to get the roll you desire? here
> is a really important one .. are you hitting up on the ball or rolling
> the ball?
> 5. finally, do you feel like your hand rotates radically at the point
> release?
>
> about 6 or 7 years ago I was bowling in a tournament where I injured my
> bowling wrist severely. it was one of the worst and best things that
> happened to me. for one I was hitting up on the ball or trying to and I
> was tossing 16# equipment at the time. that incident knocked me out of
> action for 6 mos. so if you are getting pain ... stop what you are doing
> until you can have a coach or instructor help you.
>
> the best part of what happened was I found a new and perhaps a better way
> to roll a bowling ball. again, as I posted earlier; I do not grip or over
> squeeze the ball. this is from two changes I made to my grip and my finger
> / thumb pitches. also, how I tape the ball (thumb and finger holes) has
> changed as well.
>
> my thumb fit is as tight as I can possibley stand it. now before everyone
> gets their panties bunch up, try this before you reject it. if you have
> ever watched Randy Pedersen or Pete Weber they really screw their thumbs
> into the ball. if you get that kind of fit all you need to do is give a
> little squeeze and your thumb will slide out very easly. the advantage to
> a tight fit is that you have greater control at the point of release and
> you can make changes through your swing as well .. ie finger position at
> the bottom of the swing ... ect ..
>
> today I rarely cup my wrist. today I use both 15# and 16# equipment. today
> I have 10 300 games to my credit. 3 of those came last bowling season. and
> today I bowl with NO PAIN! it is possible to bowl well with no pain ...
>
> get some help ASAP ... let me know how you are progressing. BTW ... where
> do you bowl?
>
> Jack B
> "twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com> wrote in message
> news:sMednRiwBZ1Up3vcRVn-tw@bresnan.com...
>> Jack B wrote:
>>> Mark,
>>
>>>
>>> When I first went to finger tips I had a lot of hand pain. This was
>>> because I was not prepared nor did I have someone to guide me in the
>>> different methods for releasing the ball. One post here mentions
>>> having someone coach you ... believe it and do it.
>>>
>>
>> Question about that - Was it hand pain.. or more like tendonitus (sp?)?
>> Was
>> it limited to your hand, or was your wrist also sore or tender?
>>
>> Just a couple of weeks ago, I switched to a fingertip drill and a
>> reactive
>> ball after throwing a straight ball (house balls and for the last three
>> or
>> four years a plastic Brusnwick) as a casual bowler for most of my life...
>> In ten days, my game changed dramatically. My league average is in the
>> high
>> 140s... My last 15 games have all exceeded 180. In fact, I threw my
>> lifetime high game 4 games in a row (204 - 208 - 220 - 224). Before
>> that,
>> my high game was a 180, and I did that over a year ago. I've gone from
>> consistantly throwing 146's and 150's to every game being over 180, and
>> more
>> than 50% of my games being around or over 200.
>>
>> Anyway, my wrist is killing me. I've taken the last 4 days off, and it
>> isn't feeling any better. - I'm reluctant to change anything I'm doing
>> because of the huge improvement in my scores... but I've got league play
>> in
>> about 16 hours from now, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to "grin and
>> bear
>> it" for three games. I have to be doing something wrong, I suppose. I
>> don't see other bowlers nursing sore wrists...
>>
>> So, I have to wonder if this has been a problem for others. - I'll take
>> your advice and have someone teach me a little more about what I'm doing
>> and
>> perhaps they might see something I'm doing wrong that is causing my
>> problem.
>> But, I still have to wonder if others ever suffer from this sort of
>> thing.
>>
>>
>
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Date: 13 Jan 2005 23:58:02
From: Smokey
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> Question about that - Was it hand pain.. or more like tendonitus (sp?)?
Was
> it limited to your hand, or was your wrist also sore or tender?

I agree with Jeff: get some coaching!

You should see a Physical Therapist, or someone similar, ASAP to get some
wrist-strengthening exercise suggestions. In the meantime, IBUPROFEN (or
similar pain-relieving anti-inflammatory agent) will be your Best Friend
during this "transition time".

While your wrist is "healing", get a "full coverage" wrist brace/support
like the Robby's "Plus", which will essentially "lock down" your wrist,
until you can get it strengthened, etc. This link will give you some info:
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/wristsupport_gloves/robbys/robbys_leather_plus__rh_.shtml.

Finally, TAKE IT EASY! you've strained things a little and, if you "overdo
it", you'll do yourself some nasty damage to your wrist.




   
Date: 13 Jan 2005 13:03:46
From: Jeff Rife
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip
twobirds (notareal@eaddy.com) wrote in alt.sport.bowling:
> Anyway, my wrist is killing me. I've taken the last 4 days off, and it
> isn't feeling any better. - I'm reluctant to change anything I'm doing
> because of the huge improvement in my scores... but I've got league play in
> about 16 hours from now, and I'm wondering if I'll be able to "grin and bear
> it" for three games. I have to be doing something wrong, I suppose. I
> don't see other bowlers nursing sore wrists...

My two cents is that some styles of throwing with a fingertip grip require a
*lot* of wrist strength. If you are using one of those and don't have that
strength built up, that could cause the pain. I had some of this when I
moved up to 16lb equipment.

There are many other reasons for pain, though, and if it really is so bad
that you might not be able to bowl, you need to see somebody about it (like
a doctor). Then, if it's just temporary pain due to "newness", you need
to see a bowling coach.

--
Jeff Rife


   
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From: twobirds
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Mark wrote:
> First time poster here. I have been bowling for most of my life
> although I have only been bowling regularly for the past 6 or 7 years.
> I have always used a conventional grip, but based on what I have read
> here and elsewhere, my game should improve if I change to a fingertip
> grip.
>
> Currently, I average around 155. This is down 10 from last year and
> is actually the first year where I haven't improved.
>
> All things being equal, what will I notice by changing to a fingertip
> grip. Will I have to change the way I release the ball? How long
> will it take me to adjust?


I made the change a week ago and have bowled about 33 or 34 games with my
new ball. - I am not having the trouble I expected to have with the change.
The release isn't really that much different, and so far, I've really only
had to adjust a few things.

1) The release has to be in the "handshake" position rather than palm-up.

2) This style is completely unforgiving if you let your wrist break during
the delivery. (you can't let your wrist fold back)

3) It is hard to trust the ball to do what it is supposed to do. - That
is the hardest for me. Having thrown a straight ball all my life, I want my
swing to be directed at the head pin. With a curve, I'm standing much
farther to the right and I tend to want to pull my release back towards the
center... and therefore I miss left due to the hook when I don't trust it.

But, let me tell you something: I've had more fun bowling this last week
than ever before. I've also learned more about what was wrong with my old
delivery by studying my new one. - When I'm able to trust the ball to do
what it is supposed to do, it is really fun to watch it actually do it :-)
It took me a couple of games just to break 100... but my last 5 games were
all within a pin or two of my current average (148). If I continue to make
progress and if I keep seeing the consistancy the new delivery is giving me,
my average should climb.




  
Date: 03 Jan 2005 05:04:16
From: Paul Horvick
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip

"twobirds" <notareal@eaddy.com > wrote in message
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> Mark wrote:
>> First time poster here. I have been bowling for most of my life
>> although I have only been bowling regularly for the past 6 or 7 years.
>> I have always used a conventional grip, but based on what I have read
>> here and elsewhere, my game should improve if I change to a fingertip
>> grip.
>>
>> Currently, I average around 155. This is down 10 from last year and
>> is actually the first year where I haven't improved.
>>
>> All things being equal, what will I notice by changing to a fingertip
>> grip. Will I have to change the way I release the ball? How long
>> will it take me to adjust?
>
>
> I made the change a week ago and have bowled about 33 or 34 games with my
> new ball. - I am not having the trouble I expected to have with the
> change.
> The release isn't really that much different, and so far, I've really only
> had to adjust a few things.
>
> 1) The release has to be in the "handshake" position rather than palm-up.
>
> 2) This style is completely unforgiving if you let your wrist break
> during
> the delivery. (you can't let your wrist fold back)
>
> 3) It is hard to trust the ball to do what it is supposed to do. -
> That
> is the hardest for me. Having thrown a straight ball all my life, I want
> my
> swing to be directed at the head pin. With a curve, I'm standing much
> farther to the right and I tend to want to pull my release back towards
> the
> center... and therefore I miss left due to the hook when I don't trust it.
>
> But, let me tell you something: I've had more fun bowling this last week
> than ever before. I've also learned more about what was wrong with my old
> delivery by studying my new one. - When I'm able to trust the ball to do
> what it is supposed to do, it is really fun to watch it actually do it :-)
> It took me a couple of games just to break 100... but my last 5 games
> were
> all within a pin or two of my current average (148). If I continue to
> make
> progress and if I keep seeing the consistancy the new delivery is giving
> me,
> my average should climb.
>
>
1. not true
2. it is very forgiving and does usually whatever you want the ball to do
after learning different release options; breaking the wrist assists in
throwing the ball straighter
3. true...a figertip grip does give some hook hope to those that have been
straight shooters, and for some it is hard to trust the ball

A fingertip drilling gives a player more options...usually the trade off
for many players is that in return for some loss of accuracy/control (at
first), you gain a more powerful strike ball.

A 150 average player certainly can benefit by getting more strikes, but
their limitations are in place primarily due to spare success. The fastest
way to improve 20-30 pins at that level is to make more spares.




   
Date: 04 Jan 2005 06:22:53
From: The Privateer
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip

"Paul Horvick" <phorvick@loretel.net > wrote in message
news:crb8s0013og@enews4.newsguy.com...

> >
> > 1) The release has to be in the "handshake" position rather than
palm-up.
> >
> > 2) This style is completely unforgiving if you let your wrist break
> > during
> > the delivery. (you can't let your wrist fold back)
> >
> > 3) It is hard to trust the ball to do what it is supposed to do. -
> > That
> > is the hardest for me. Having thrown a straight ball all my life, I
want
> > my
> > swing to be directed at the head pin. With a curve, I'm standing much
> > farther to the right and I tend to want to pull my release back towards
> > the
> > center... and therefore I miss left due to the hook when I don't trust
it.
> >
> >
> 1. not true
> 2. it is very forgiving and does usually whatever you want the ball to do
> after learning different release options; breaking the wrist assists in
> throwing the ball straighter
> 3. true...a figertip grip does give some hook hope to those that have been
> straight shooters, and for some it is hard to trust the ball
>
> A fingertip drilling gives a player more options...usually the trade off
> for many players is that in return for some loss of accuracy/control (at
> first), you gain a more powerful strike ball.
>
> A 150 average player certainly can benefit by getting more strikes, but
> their limitations are in place primarily due to spare success. The
fastest
> way to improve 20-30 pins at that level is to make more spares.
>
>

Just a few words to add to Paul's informative post.

Handshake: is only if you are throwing a hook ball. This is the old school
of teaching the hook. Remember to turn after your thumb exits, not before.
The fingertip drilling actually helps in this case.

Broken wrist: Yes, it works to straighten the ball but your thumb might not
release smoothly if your wrist isn't firm. Take note of that. If you want a
hook, then try a wrist-guard if you have to.

Your game will only improve after regular practice with a hook ball. If you
are looking to average 180 and beyond, I'd advise to change now and never
look back. Get advice from your pro-shop owner too...he's the best person
for that!

Hope this helps!

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Date: 02 Jan 2005 12:01:19
From: tazskool@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Changing to a fingertip grip

Mark wrote:
> First time poster here. I have been bowling for most of my life
> although I have only been bowling regularly for the past 6 or 7
years.
> I have always used a conventional grip, but based on what I have read
> here and elsewhere, my game should improve if I change to a fingertip
> grip.
>
> Currently, I average around 155. This is down 10 from last year and
> is actually the first year where I haven't improved.
>
> All things being equal, what will I notice by changing to a fingertip
> grip. Will I have to change the way I release the ball? How long
> will it take me to adjust?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark

I personally think changin from conventioanl to finger tip is the best
thing to do...

Do you have an instructor/coach or someone who knows thier stuff to
watch you bowl there as well??

With your ave dropping are you missing the pocket more?? missin
spares?? or could it be a more mental approach to it in the last year..
where your mental game and confidence isnt as good as before??

I sugggested to one of the kids in the YBC on the saturday mornings we
do here that he should go fingertip, thiw was 3 months ago, and since
then he has added 15 to hsi ave and hit 4 new high scores..
bear in mind ALOT of the game in consistancy and confidence!!

Mike