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Date: 19 Aug 2008 14:13:22
From:
Subject: Bowling Industry

The more you read about bowling - it seems it is a downward trend in
the US. It is my understanding that all Brunswick balls are made in
Mexico.

If you are bowling, you better keep your income options open.

Anyone currently work or formerly work for AMFQuibica or Brunswick?
What is your impression?




 
Date: 25 Aug 2008 18:11:43
From:
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
I just came from a league meeting. This is my first league since I got
back into bowling after a 28 year-layoff. I swear, I was one of the
youngest people in the room--and my last (youth) league was in 1980,
so do the math ;)

This is a mixed handicap league, BTW, not a "senior citizens" league.


  
Date: 26 Aug 2008 21:33:32
From: Eric
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
electronic_dave@hotmail.com wrote in news:7000582d-a901-481a-abb9-
23e07180e71d@f36g2000hsa.googlegroups.com:

> I just came from a league meeting. This is my first league since I got
> back into bowling after a 28 year-layoff. I swear, I was one of the
> youngest people in the room--and my last (youth) league was in 1980,
> so do the math ;)
>
> This is a mixed handicap league, BTW, not a "senior citizens" league.

I bowl on a Men's handicap league with (last year) 18 teams. The age range
is 20-21 to seniors, with a good mix of all age groups. The mixed league
that bowls on the other half of the center runs from mid 30s to seniors.


 
Date: 24 Aug 2008 00:02:15
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
> After not touching a ball for 15 years, I took a freshly drilled ball
> and proceeded to average over 200 from the first game of practice onward.
>
> That should not have happened by ANY stretch of the imagination.

You're right, because you picked THE WRONG BALL!

If you had picked the RIGHT ball, you would've shot a 300 (or few)
Right Out Of the Box... ; >


  
Date: 24 Aug 2008 09:55:44
From: 01dyna
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:02:15 -0700 (PDT), PromptJock
<102151.3223@compuserve.com > you wrote:

>> After not touching a ball for 15 years, I took a freshly drilled ball
>> and proceeded to average over 200 from the first game of practice onward.
>>
>> That should not have happened by ANY stretch of the imagination.
>
>You're right, because you picked THE WRONG BALL!
>
>If you had picked the RIGHT ball, you would've shot a 300 (or few)
>Right Out Of the Box... ;>


A few years ago, I visited an out of state house that recorded *on
average*, twenty-five 300 games A MONTH.

That is *insane*. I also saw that they only had five 700 sets in the
past YEAR. That tells me that everyone can strike, but nobody knows
how to spare.

Our local house only recorded FIVE 300's last YEAR (one of them was
mine thankyouverymuch), and 2 800's. House mens average is 180.
Less than 5% of the male bowlers even average over 200, however we
probably have half a dozen or more 700's per week. Making your spares
here is *everything*.

The house isn't necessarily tough per se, it's just astonishingly
inconsistent! LOL.

-aki





   
Date: 24 Aug 2008 11:46:37
From: Polarhound
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
01dyna wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:02:15 -0700 (PDT), PromptJock
> <102151.3223@compuserve.com> you wrote:
>
>>> After not touching a ball for 15 years, I took a freshly drilled ball
>>> and proceeded to average over 200 from the first game of practice onward.
>>>
>>> That should not have happened by ANY stretch of the imagination.
>> You're right, because you picked THE WRONG BALL!
>>
>> If you had picked the RIGHT ball, you would've shot a 300 (or few)
>> Right Out Of the Box... ;>
>
>
> A few years ago, I visited an out of state house that recorded *on
> average*, twenty-five 300 games A MONTH.
>
> That is *insane*. I also saw that they only had five 700 sets in the
> past YEAR. That tells me that everyone can strike, but nobody knows
> how to spare.

That reminds me of the other grating thing I noticed when I started
going back to the lanes: Nobody knew how to control their ball to pick
up a corner pin. Many people would pull out the Hook Monster for every
1st shot, then bitch about how the shot was setup so you could only use
plastic for spares.

If that was the case then my OOTB Gamebreaker must be broken since
changing finger and wrist positions seemed to work just fine for me.


    
Date: 24 Aug 2008 13:18:10
From: 01dyna
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:46:37 -0400, Polarhound
<udf7832283483y@comcast.net > you wrote:


>
>That reminds me of the other grating thing I noticed when I started
>going back to the lanes: Nobody knew how to control their ball to pick
>up a corner pin. Many people would pull out the Hook Monster for every
>1st shot, then bitch about how the shot was setup so you could only use
>plastic for spares.
>
>If that was the case then my OOTB Gamebreaker must be broken since
>changing finger and wrist positions seemed to work just fine for me.


what surprises me is how many of these "bowlers" can even manually add
up their own scores.

What other sport is there where someone can claim to be a top tier
player yet can't even figure out how the sport is scored?



 
Date: 20 Aug 2008 09:35:35
From: Dan the Man
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
On Aug 19, 5:13=A0pm, soundguy...@gmail.com wrote:
> The more you read about bowling - it seems it is a downward trend in
> the US. =A0It is my understanding that all Brunswick balls are made in
> Mexico.
>
> If you are bowling, you better keep your income options open.
>
> Anyone currently work or formerly work for AMFQuibica or Brunswick?
> What is your impression?

I don't work for either outfit, but I can tell you that, here in
Reading, PA, Hiester Lanes was just sold by AMF to a gentleman named
Al Blough who also owns other alleys in this area. I had been hearing
that AMF was in deep doo-doo financially.


  
Date: 23 Aug 2008 17:22:11
From: TNL
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
AMF has run bowling into the ground here in the Kansas City area. They have
run most of their league bowlers off with poor service, poor lane
conditions, lack of maintenance, & hiring unknowledgeable managers (i.e.
hotel managers and restaurant managers) to operate the centers. The current
manager did not know a thing about bowling and when I shot my 1st sanctioned
800 series last week, did not know the significance of that score.

In my opinion, AMF has done nothing good for the sport in the last 10 years.

Tom in KC
--
TNL
Please remove "nuttinbut" to reply direct.
________________________________________________________

"Dan the Man" <dan708@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:7cc98410-81a5-42a3-a7ca-da2032b704f9@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 19, 5:13 pm, soundguy...@gmail.com wrote:
> The more you read about bowling - it seems it is a downward trend in
> the US. It is my understanding that all Brunswick balls are made in
> Mexico.
>
> If you are bowling, you better keep your income options open.
>
> Anyone currently work or formerly work for AMFQuibica or Brunswick?
> What is your impression?

I don't work for either outfit, but I can tell you that, here in
Reading, PA, Hiester Lanes was just sold by AMF to a gentleman named
Al Blough who also owns other alleys in this area. I had been hearing
that AMF was in deep doo-doo financially.



   
Date: 24 Aug 2008 17:57:12
From: Darlene Block
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
Tom, one could say some of the same things about USBC. They are not doing a
good job of serving the bowlers because many of them are not bowlers. You
can tell the difference. Now they've moved to Texas. I'm sure it make
financial sense to them. :(
Dar

"TNL" <tomorliz@att.nuttinbut.net > wrote
> AMF has run bowling into the ground here in the Kansas City area. They
> have run most of their league bowlers off with poor service, poor lane
> conditions, lack of maintenance, & hiring unknowledgeable managers (i.e.
> hotel managers and restaurant managers) to operate the centers. The
> current manager did not know a thing about bowling and when I shot my 1st
> sanctioned 800 series last week, did not know the significance of that
> score.
>
> In my opinion, AMF has done nothing good for the sport in the last 10
> years.
>
> Tom in KC
> --
> TNL
> Please remove "nuttinbut" to reply direct.
> ________________________________________________________
>
> "Dan the Man" <dan708@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7cc98410-81a5-42a3-a7ca-da2032b704f9@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 19, 5:13 pm, soundguy...@gmail.com wrote:
>> The more you read about bowling - it seems it is a downward trend in
>> the US. It is my understanding that all Brunswick balls are made in
>> Mexico.
>>
>> If you are bowling, you better keep your income options open.
>>
>> Anyone currently work or formerly work for AMFQuibica or Brunswick?
>> What is your impression?
>
> I don't work for either outfit, but I can tell you that, here in
> Reading, PA, Hiester Lanes was just sold by AMF to a gentleman named
> Al Blough who also owns other alleys in this area. I had been hearing
> that AMF was in deep doo-doo financially.




   
Date: 23 Aug 2008 22:37:40
From: Polarhound
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
TNL wrote:
> AMF has run bowling into the ground here in the Kansas City area. They
> have run most of their league bowlers off with poor service, poor lane
> conditions, lack of maintenance, & hiring unknowledgeable managers (i.e.
> hotel managers and restaurant managers) to operate the centers. The
> current manager did not know a thing about bowling and when I shot my
> 1st sanctioned 800 series last week, did not know the significance of
> that score.
>
> In my opinion, AMF has done nothing good for the sport in the last 10
> years.

On the other side of the coin, you have all the major ball manufacturers
releasing an average of 3472 balls per year, each with an on-shelf
stocking lifespan of 2.83 minutes perpetuating the Buy-A-Shot culture.


    
Date: 23 Aug 2008 23:31:44
From: TNL
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
Not many can afford the Buy-A-Shot and don't buy into that I think. I think
that technology has made the sport easier for most. This has made the sport
more popular I think. I just think AMF's business model for running a
bowling center is flawed.

I bowled in a tournament in Pittsburgh Kansas a month ago. It was in a mom &
pop owned center. The center was in great shape. The service was over the
top and the prices for food and drink was reasonable.

Tom in KC
--
TNL
Please remove "nuttinbut" to reply direct.
_____________________________________________________________________________


"Polarhound" <udf7832283483y@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:rKGdnTvveonpVC3VnZ2dnUVZ_r7inZ2d@comcast.com...
> TNL wrote:
>> AMF has run bowling into the ground here in the Kansas City area. They
>> have run most of their league bowlers off with poor service, poor lane
>> conditions, lack of maintenance, & hiring unknowledgeable managers (i.e.
>> hotel managers and restaurant managers) to operate the centers. The
>> current manager did not know a thing about bowling and when I shot my 1st
>> sanctioned 800 series last week, did not know the significance of that
>> score.
>>
>> In my opinion, AMF has done nothing good for the sport in the last 10
>> years.
>
> On the other side of the coin, you have all the major ball manufacturers
> releasing an average of 3472 balls per year, each with an on-shelf
> stocking lifespan of 2.83 minutes perpetuating the Buy-A-Shot culture.



     
Date: 24 Aug 2008 00:47:54
From: Polarhound
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
TNL wrote:
> Not many can afford the Buy-A-Shot and don't buy into that I think. I
> think that technology has made the sport easier for most.

There is a line between easier and EZ-Mode.

After not touching a ball for 15 years, I took a freshly drilled ball
and proceeded to average over 200 from the first game of practice onward.

That should not have happened by ANY stretch of the imagination.


 
Date: 19 Aug 2008 15:17:54
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: Bowling Industry
On Aug 19, 2:13=A0pm, soundguy...@gmail.com wrote:
> The more you read about bowling - it seems it is a downward trend in
> the US.

In terms of ** LEAGUE PARTICIPATION **, that is certainly the case.

In terms of ** OPEN BOWLING **, things are actually on the increase.

In case you haven't come across it, bowling is rapidly becoming the
NUMBER ONE Varsity sport in High Schools. As long as centers keep
supporting Junior/Prep leagues, then it's possible there'll be another
resurgence in "overall" bowling numbers (especially in Traditional
leagues).

SPORT BOWLING and PBA EXPERIENCE leagues are really taking off -
especially among JUNIOR bowlers!

> It is my understanding that all Brunswick balls are made in
> Mexico.

'tis possible. For the record: Linds makes their shoes in Mexico.
Does the PLACE OF MANUFACTURE have that much influence on your choice
of bowling equipment? ;)

> If you are bowling, you better keep your income options open.

Only if you plan on becoming a Pro. Otherwise, there are still plenty
of Amateur Tournaments where you could make some ca$h (IF you have the
skills, that is! ;) ).

> Anyone currently work or formerly work for AMFQuibica or Brunswick?
> What is your impression?

I don't work for either company, but my product impressions are as
follows:

* I like the "older" Qubica scoring systems
* I also like the newer AMF/Qubica scoring systems
* I'm not fond of any Brunswick scoring systems
* Steltronic scoring systems can totally disappear and I won't be
sorry about it.
* The newest AMF pinsetting gear is impressive and FAST in their
cycling speed. However, they do have some mechanical "quirks" that
need overcoming.
* Brunswick pinsetters are definite reliable workhorses.

That's all I think I can offer for this thread. :)