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Date: 26 Sep 2004 09:54:26
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Bowling Center Music.
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In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment. I
like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of music
from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling proprietors
need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment. I
may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I can
tolerate some of today's music.
Edward DeGraaf,
USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
300 Game - 09/30/2003.
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Date: 26 Sep 2004 09:53:52
From:
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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"Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com > wrote in message
news:kPWdnXVuSZWJV8vcRVn-rw@wideopenwest.com...
> In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
> bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
> longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment.
I
> like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of
music
> from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling
proprietors
> need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment.
I
> may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
> rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I
can
> tolerate some of today's music.
I can't disagree with anything you said. Nothing worse than super-loud
thumping music to take the fun out of practice. But quite a few coaches are
encouraging "distractions" like this when practicing in order to improve
concentration. A young lady who I bowled with in summer league said her
college coach uses such things as blasting music, turning up the thermostat
to 90, running wind sprints etc. before making shots.
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 18:57:23
From: bowldoug
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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I draw the line at running wind sprints
--
Douglas Moye
Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
member of consitution and by-laws committee,
and hearings and rerating committee
secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
developing fossil\general pest
<
>
> I can't disagree with anything you said. Nothing worse than super-loud
> thumping music to take the fun out of practice. But quite a few coaches
are
> encouraging "distractions" like this when practicing in order to improve
> concentration. A young lady who I bowled with in summer league said her
> college coach uses such things as blasting music, turning up the
thermostat
> to 90, running wind sprints etc. before making shots.
>
>
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Date: 26 Sep 2004 18:47:31
From: Angel
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
>bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
>longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment. I
>like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of music
>from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling proprietors
>need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment. I
>may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
>rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I can
>tolerate some of today's music.
It's interesting you should mention this. Our Ad/Jr floors right after
open/birthdyay parties on Sunday afternoons at 5 pm. First thing I do (before
I clock in, usually) is lower the volume and switch the format to music from
the 80s forward to current music. The kids actually enjoy bowling the league
with some background music and my only rule that I enforce applies to the asst.
manager is the music playing must have been created since the birth of at least
some of the kids (the 80s stuff works here, and still applies to most of the
parents). The asst. manager has a thing for some really old stuff--Herman's
Hermits and the Monkees, and the kids want to puke (who am I kidding, I'll
puke, too). I tend to program away from the heavy rap stuff, but the music
isn't a problem (and actually my son is willing to program the system for the
length of the league).
Ironically, when the 2nd tier of A/J comes in at 6:30, and the kids all
average close to duece and they're bowling with adults of similar calibur, the
league at the other end of the house is all adult (I'll guess mostly around
50), that happen to enjoy the 60s stuff. Great. I have them turn it off on
the A/J side since given the other league's musical preferences, the kids
prefer silence.
Very loud music happens to be the quickest trigger for my migraines, but I
think music does have its place in social settings. You might want to talk to
the management and see if you can find out how early they turn it up full
volume, or see if they're willing to experiment on how loud it needs to be (if
only on one side of the house). If some houses open for practice at 8 am,
there's a good chance that there are no parties scheduled that early, and
they'd be willing to keep it lower for you.
--
Angel
www.bowlingfans.com
www.bowlndiva.com
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Date: 26 Sep 2004 21:30:40
From: Dave Kent
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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Ed,
Unless the center in question is 8 or 16 lanes, the music is probably zoned,
similar to the way the lights are. That is, the speakers could be on for the
first 10 lanes (say), and off for the rest of the hall. I find that the pace of
my feet is effected by the pace of the music. I usually request the zone I am in
be turned off. I usually approach the desk with a smile on my face and ask
politely. That usually gets the job done. If not, I will not be there for long.
When we had a local sandbagged tv bowling show, they used to have qualifiers
anytime at all as long as at least 2 bowlers wanted to throw. Once, I was
throwing pretty well when all of a sudden Hank Williams came blaring out of the
speakers. I am not a country music lover, or hater for that matter, but ... I
had no smile for anyone when this happened, especially the lane guy who thought
he was playing a cute prank....
"Edward (300) DeGraaf" wrote:
> In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
> bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
> longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment. I
> like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of music
> from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling proprietors
> need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment. I
> may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
> rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I can
> tolerate some of today's music.
>
> Edward DeGraaf,
> USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
> YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
> 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
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Date: 26 Sep 2004 16:59:00
From: Darby
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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"Dave Kent" <dave.kent@rochester.rr.com > wrote in ...
> Ed,
> Unless the center in question is 8 or 16 lanes, the music is probably
> zoned,
> similar to the way the lights are. That is, the speakers could be on for
> the
> first 10 lanes (say), and off for the rest of the hall. I find that the
> pace of
> my feet is effected by the pace of the music. I usually request the zone I
> am in
> be turned off. I usually approach the desk with a smile on my face and
> ask
> politely. That usually gets the job done. If not, I will not be there for
> long.
>
> When we had a local sandbagged tv bowling show, they used to have
> qualifiers
> anytime at all as long as at least 2 bowlers wanted to throw. Once, I was
> throwing pretty well when all of a sudden Hank Williams came blaring out
> of the
> speakers. I am not a country music lover, or hater for that matter, but
> ... I
> had no smile for anyone when this happened, especially the lane guy who
> thought
> he was playing a cute prank....
I'm giving my age away, but I used to practise with my boom box blasting
Rock and Roll/Rythmn and Blues songs in an 18 lane center. I was the only
one there, sometimes even the owwner had to go somewhere for something. I
tried country music/love songs but the rythmn made my timing go to heck. I
still like a good beat while I bowl, but they can keep the cosmic lighting.
:)
Dar
>
> "Edward (300) DeGraaf" wrote:
>
>> In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
>> bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
>> longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment.
>> I
>> like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of
>> music
>> from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling
>> proprietors
>> need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet
>> environment. I
>> may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
>> rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I
>> can
>> tolerate some of today's music.
>>
>> Edward DeGraaf,
>> USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
>> YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
>> 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
>
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Date: 26 Sep 2004 15:10:47
From: Smokey
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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> In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
> bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
> longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment.
I
> like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of
music
> from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling
proprietors
> need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment.
I
> may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
> rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I
can
> tolerate some of today's music.
Question: have you never considered that such an environment is PERFECT for
the "serious" bowler to practice in?
I personally LOVE the "Cosmic Bowling" or "Rock-n-Bowl" environment as it,
literally, forces me to "toughen-up" mentally and boost my concentration
level. Many bowlers are seriously lacking in the "concentration" area, and
as such are easily distracted, which results in bad shots, blown spares,
much wailing-and-gnashing-of-teeth outbursts, etc. The loud music (usually
not of Your Taste) is PERFECT for practicing "selective deafness".
Then, there's the generally rowdy and oftentimes DISCOURTEOUS "bowlers" on
either side. You know the ones - you're set on the approach to deliver your
shot and the teenaged "macho a**hole" suddenly runs up to the line with the
8' ball and delivers it like a cannon (usually down the gutter, too!). And
there you are left to "fume" because of the rudeness of that kid. Perfect
time to practice CALMNESS AND COLLECTEDNESS, tell yourself "it's OK", then
deliver a perfect rack-shattering "bomb" that leaves the aforementioned
"macho a**shole" staring in open-mouthed awe. I've been there and done it -
it's one of those priceless "Kodak Moments" to treasure. :)
Also, by having the lights down, it also forces you to "target on instinct"
as, in many cases, you CAN NOT see any of the rangefinder targets on the
lanes. If anything, all you can "reliably" see are the approach marks and
foul line dots. This makes some bowlers VERY NERVOUS - "I can't see my mark
on the lane!, etc."
Finally, some places have the "dancing" gutter lighting. What better way to
practice VISUALLY focusing on the lane and employing "selective blindness"
to ignore the lights. Same with the strobes, mirror balls, and projected
lights that "dance around" the approaches and lanes (you can see the
projectors, etc. on the ceiling).
That's my opinion......
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 00:42:10
From: Ron Wilbanks
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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I would love it if they would play Orchestral Jazz over Rock any day,
because I can develop a rhythm to that music. I went to a bowling
center here in Michigan, and I was having a great game with five strikes
in a row. Then, the management turns the black lights, fog machines,
Rap/Hip-Hop on. My game went downhill from there.
Moreover, the kids that moved in on the lanes next to me were half drunk
and crossed over into my lane acting stupid in the next game, to the
point I just gave up and played out my my last hour of bowling trying
trick shots and improving my technique, then went home.
The music really doesn't bother me, but when I have to yell to the top
of my lungs so the person next to me can hear me, this is totally out of
the question.
--
Sincerely yours,
Ron Wilbanks
"Like a prized watch, a good fountain pen is a trusted companion for life."
Spam filter: -1 for the real thing!
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 02:20:16
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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Ron Wilbanks <NYC6001@ameritech.net > wrote in message news:<ClJ5d.740$Rf1.502@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com>...
> I would love it if they would play Orchestral Jazz over Rock any day,
> because I can develop a rhythm to that music. I went to a bowling
> center here in Michigan, and I was having a great game with five strikes
> in a row. Then, the management turns the black lights, fog machines,
> Rap/Hip-Hop on. My game went downhill from there.
>
> Moreover, the kids that moved in on the lanes next to me were half drunk
> and crossed over into my lane acting stupid in the next game, to the
> point I just gave up and played out my my last hour of bowling trying
> trick shots and improving my technique, then went home.
>
> The music really doesn't bother me, but when I have to yell to the top
> of my lungs so the person next to me can hear me, this is totally out of
> the question.
Finding a balance between what is acceptable for EVERYONE wether you
are Joe public or a tournament bowler is VERY HARD...
I tend to practise with music and the YBC ona Saturday morning that I
instruct in does has a little background music as I believe it helps
block out noise in tournament situations..
Otherwise when you bowl with joe public you have to accept that the
center's bread and butter is joe public. As for league nites then our
music is lowered a little or the speakers at our end of the center are
off...
Mike
BTBA Certified Instructor
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 03:43:45
From: Jeri Jo Thomas
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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From the trenches *102151.3223@compuserve.com* sent a runner with this
important missive...
Q:Also, by having the lights down, it also forces you to "target on instinct"
Q:as, in many cases, you CAN NOT see any of the rangefinder targets on the
Q:lanes. If anything, all you can "reliably" see are the approach marks and
Q:foul line dots. This makes some bowlers VERY NERVOUS - "I can't see my mark
Q:on the lane!, etc."
Q:
Q:Finally, some places have the "dancing" gutter lighting. What better way to
Q:practice VISUALLY focusing on the lane and employing "selective blindness"
Q:to ignore the lights. Same with the strobes, mirror balls, and projected
Q:lights that "dance around" the approaches and lanes (you can see the
Q:projectors, etc. on the ceiling).
Q:
In all the years I've bowled at one house they've only had "starlight
bowl" one time so I decided to go, not knowing what to expect. When
they dowsed the light I was shocked that I couldn't see nuthin'. But
instead of making me nervous, it did make me concentrate. I found my
invisible mark and did some of my best bowling that night, far above my
league scores. My biggest distraction is other bowlers. In the dark I
wasn't bothered by them.
--
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 01:39:08
From: Evil Joe Schmuckatelli
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:10:47 UTC, "Smokey" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote:
> I personally LOVE the "Cosmic Bowling" or "Rock-n-Bowl" environment as it,
> literally, forces me to "toughen-up" mentally and boost my concentration
> level.
> Then, there's the generally rowdy and oftentimes DISCOURTEOUS "bowlers" on
> either side.
I've walked out of a center halfway through my session (prepaid it, no less)
because of a) the Cosmic session (the speaker just happened to be right over
my lane) and b) the aforementioned discourteous bowler. In retrospect, you're
probably right about forcing one to concentrate more -- but
god-freaking-dammit, it pisses me off no end.
And those dancing gutter lights happen to be part of the "Lightworx" setup
Brunswick has. :-)
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"One World, One Web, One Program." -- Microsoft
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 08:54:30
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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""Evil Joe" Schmuckatelli" <joeschmuck@KILL.SPAMFORD.WALLACE.NOW > wrote in message news:<bqxLzydo2Rsp-pn2-LOX0mDRHGkJC@localhost>...
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:10:47 UTC, "Smokey" <102151.3223@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
> > I personally LOVE the "Cosmic Bowling" or "Rock-n-Bowl" environment as it,
> > literally, forces me to "toughen-up" mentally and boost my concentration
> > level.
>
> > Then, there's the generally rowdy and oftentimes DISCOURTEOUS "bowlers" on
> > either side.
>
> I've walked out of a center halfway through my session (prepaid it, no less)
> because of a) the Cosmic session (the speaker just happened to be right over
> my lane) and b) the aforementioned discourteous bowler. In retrospect, you're
> probably right about forcing one to concentrate more -- but
> god-freaking-dammit, it pisses me off no end.
>
> And those dancing gutter lights happen to be part of the "Lightworx" setup
> Brunswick has. :-)
>
> ------------------------------------------------+------------------
> "One World, One Web, One Program." -- Microsoft
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 19:10:41
From: bowldoug
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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I remember the philosophy of one of our larger but now former proprietors,
CAW.
"I don't wamt the better bowler in my establishment if I can help it. I want
mom and pop mixed leagues. They are the bread and butter of my income. The
bowlers who are 175 and over are nothing but cry babies and know it alls and
do nothing but bitch and complain and make life miserable for everyone
around them. they are not worth the hassle."
In reality, especially with todays environment, was he really off base?
Ed we are in the minority and they will cater to what is the most profitable
and hassle free.
Now just which one house are you refering to? I have absolutely no trouble
finding a quiet place to practice and on both side of the city.
--
Douglas Moye
Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
member of consitution and by-laws committee,
and hearings and rerating committee
secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
developing fossil\general pest
"Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com > wrote in message
news:kPWdnXVuSZWJV8vcRVn-rw@wideopenwest.com...
> In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
> bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
> longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment.
I
> like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of
music
> from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling
proprietors
> need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment.
I
> may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
> rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I
can
> tolerate some of today's music.
>
> Edward DeGraaf,
> USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
> YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
> 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
>
>
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 21:02:05
From: Dave Kent
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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You did say "former" proprietor, right? This philosophy has certainly worked to
make bowling the booming business it is today! [grin] God forbid the place would
be full of a scratch league or [gasp] a tournament. Why, Joe "three games, once
per year" bowler might just happen in when the place is not available to him
and never come back.....
bowldoug wrote:
> I remember the philosophy of one of our larger but now former proprietors,
> CAW.
> "I don't wamt the better bowler in my establishment if I can help it. I want
> mom and pop mixed leagues. They are the bread and butter of my income. The
> bowlers who are 175 and over are nothing but cry babies and know it alls and
> do nothing but bitch and complain and make life miserable for everyone
> around them. they are not worth the hassle."
>
> In reality, especially with todays environment, was he really off base?
>
> Ed we are in the minority and they will cater to what is the most profitable
> and hassle free.
>
> Now just which one house are you refering to? I have absolutely no trouble
> finding a quiet place to practice and on both side of the city.
>
> --
> Douglas Moye
> Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
> member of consitution and by-laws committee,
> and hearings and rerating committee
> secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
> developing fossil\general pest
> "Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com> wrote in message
> news:kPWdnXVuSZWJV8vcRVn-rw@wideopenwest.com...
> > In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
> > bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
> > longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment.
> I
> > like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of
> music
> > from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling
> proprietors
> > need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment.
> I
> > may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
> > rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I
> can
> > tolerate some of today's music.
> >
> > Edward DeGraaf,
> > USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
> > YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
> > 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
> >
> >
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Date: 28 Sep 2004 16:51:57
From: bowldoug
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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yes, former. had a chain of houses. sold them all for various reasons but
basically it came down to gross economic mis management.
think about it Dave, those he didn't particularly care for were definitely a
huge minority of the bowling population.
If you were 190+ you were in the top 8-10%
your scratch leagues were probably 75% or larger or the complaining and
bitching. were/are they really worth the hassle?
They are never happy no matter what you do for them. They are the most
demanding usually they are wrong.
they feel everything should be set up just so because they think they are
good.
scores are high they complain they are too high.
come back to a little reality and they complain they are too low..........
Back in those days people actully practiced to become better and this was
additional income.
also in those times, almost all houses were double shifted.
Today, you need every customer you can get. league play is down, fewer
people practice as their averages are higher and they think they are better.
There are more and more choices for our time. heck the time we now spend
here probably in the past was used for practice to some degree.
the game has changed, the environment has changed, society has changed,but
the needs have remained the same.
League bowling is way down so they have to do what they can to get customers
in the door.
Basically I disagree with Ed's post BUT when you toss in the loudness of the
music, that is where I agree with him.
coming from the 60s and 70s you would think that loud would fit me but it
never did. guess that is why I still have most of my hearing :-)
--
Douglas Moye
Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
member of consitution and by-laws committee,
and hearings and rerating committee
secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
developing fossil\general pest
"Dave Kent" <dave.kent@rochester.rr.com > wrote in message
news:41587FCB.D5F71EB6@rochester.rr.com...
> You did say "former" proprietor, right? This philosophy has certainly
worked to
> make bowling the booming business it is today! [grin] God forbid the place
would
> be full of a scratch league or [gasp] a tournament. Why, Joe "three games,
once
> per year" bowler might just happen in when the place is not available to
him
> and never come back.....
>
> bowldoug wrote:
>
> > I remember the philosophy of one of our larger but now former
proprietors,
> > CAW.
> > "I don't wamt the better bowler in my establishment if I can help it. I
want
> > mom and pop mixed leagues. They are the bread and butter of my income.
The
> > bowlers who are 175 and over are nothing but cry babies and know it alls
and
> > do nothing but bitch and complain and make life miserable for everyone
> > around them. they are not worth the hassle."
> >
> > In reality, especially with todays environment, was he really off base?
> >
> > Ed we are in the minority and they will cater to what is the most
profitable
> > and hassle free.
> >
> > Now just which one house are you refering to? I have absolutely no
trouble
> > finding a quiet place to practice and on both side of the city.
> >
> > --
> > Douglas Moye
> > Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
> > member of consitution and by-laws committee,
> > and hearings and rerating committee
> > secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
> > developing fossil\general pest
> > "Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com> wrote in message
> > news:kPWdnXVuSZWJV8vcRVn-rw@wideopenwest.com...
> > > In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
> > > bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can
no
> > > longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl
environment.
> > I
> > > like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of
> > music
> > > from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling
> > proprietors
> > > need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet
environment.
> > I
> > > may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
> > > rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least
I
> > can
> > > tolerate some of today's music.
> > >
> > > Edward DeGraaf,
> > > USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
> > > YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
> > > 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
> > >
> > >
>
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Date: 28 Sep 2004 17:25:43
From: Angel
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>If you were 190+ you were in the top 8-10%
>your scratch leagues were probably 75% or larger or the complaining and
>bitching. were/are they really worth the hassle?
>
>They are never happy no matter what you do for them. They are the most
>demanding usually they are wrong.
>they feel everything should be set up just so because they think they are
>good.
>scores are high they complain they are too high.
> come back to a little reality and they complain they are too low..........
Scratch bowlers are the first to complain about lane conditions. They'll be
both too oily and too dry before the night is out--sometimes by the same
bowler. They demand fresh oil, then complain once the lanes are done.
They'll be the first to complain that the prize fund is too small, that there
is no sponsor, that the lineage fees are too high.
They're the first ones to waltz in with a Big Gulp and a bag from Taco Bell,
NEVER eat in the restaurant, and not consume alcohol while bowling.
They demand dark pairs on either side of the league, and completely go
ballistic if someone is still in their settee area from the early league when
their league doesn't start for another 30 minutes.
So basically, all the proprietor gets is the lineage out of scratch bowlers.
Sure they may drop a ton in the brackets (which very few houses ask for a cut
of), and they may pay $20-30 a night in league fees, but the house might only
be getting $11 or $12 of that.
Assuming the league wasn't there, they can put 6 young adults on the lane,
paying $5 or more per game. They'll have several drinks and order appetizers.
They don't care about the lane oil, and they don't complain about the
prices--it's a social thing for them, not a cost of living.
As a proprietor, how on earth could you favor the scratch bowler even if you
had a soft spot in your heart for scratch bowling. No wonder so many centers
are losing weekend leagues (and some are even dropping weekday evening leagues
for open play).
--
Angel
www.bowlingfans.com
www.bowlndiva.com
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Date: 29 Sep 2004 22:54:46
From: Dave Kent
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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bowldoug wrote:
> yes, former. had a chain of houses. sold them all for various reasons but
> basically it came down to gross economic mis management.
> think about it Dave, those he didn't particularly care for were definitely a
> huge minority of the bowling population.
> If you were 190+ you were in the top 8-10%
> your scratch leagues were probably 75% or larger or the complaining and
> bitching. were/are they really worth the hassle?
I have thought about it ... at some length .... I have also tried to compose
this a few times but keep restarting because I like both you and Angel, and it
pains me that folks that want bowling to survive as a "sport" have been
convinced by folks who only are interested in the money available.
We may have to agree to disagree on this.
Lessee, {former} proprietors say that able performers want things done a certain
way. Or even several certain ways. This is called pleasing the customer.
Apparently the operators refuse. They are doing and have done things their way.
It is their investment after all so they should be able to run their business
any way they please. Fair enough, but it seems to me that this way has driven
away their bread and butter. Trouble is, bowling under this system is having
trouble surviving as an activity, never mind a sport..
For years, leagues in general (not just scratch) supplied halls with guaranteed
linage, and nearly guaranteed bar business. And at one time they were granted
consideration for that guarantee. When people started finding other things to do
with their spare time (weak grin) bowling proprietor's decided the answer was
cosmic bowling (no conditioning needed) and the great wall of China. Well sure,
you have to fill the place whenever the lights are on but that doesn't mean
alienating a portion of the populace that WANTS to come in the door.
The owners are behind, in large part, the easying up of conditions, right? As
the integrity of the game has deteriorated, it has seen steady drop offs in
participation. The sanctioning organization has caved to the owners every time
they threatened to make their own body, and now they are doing that anyway.
What is the answer? Beats me. I have never tried to make my living in bowling. I
do know that the way things have been for the last, oh, 20 years or so
(easying up of conditions, alienation of the people who know how to play the
game) is driving people away, not bringing them in, forcing centers to close,
not new ones to open.
If I won the lottery I would build and open a place. It would have a good
restaurant, a real joint someone might want to eat at even if they never heard
of bowling, perhaps as a lease to a real food operator. There would be at least
one sport league (I am assuming I could find three others willing to accept the
challenge of competition conditions). The other leagues would have compliant
conditions, but not the great wall of China. I would have one lane set up with
the CATS equipment. I would hire a pro, or lease space to one, to drill
equipment and more importantly teach bowlers. I would advertise it as the place
to come if you want to learn how to bowl. Yes advertise. The current batch of
operators doesn't seem to know that there are outlets out there that can be used
to attract business. I would operate the party atmosphere as much as business
required but I would NOT deliberately alienate the scratch players. Probably
couldn't not have a bar, but as bowling in my mind is a sport, there would be no
smoking in my hall.
Oh yeah, out side my building would be a 30' tall bowling pin. No one would go
past my building wondering what was inside.
All this means absolutely squat, of course. I have already voted with my feet
as to the centers I will support with my wallet. If I feel that my input is held
with disdain, there are still one or two other places to go. fer now anyways
best to you
dk
>
>
> They are never happy no matter what you do for them. They are the most
> demanding usually they are wrong.
> they feel everything should be set up just so because they think they are
> good.
> scores are high they complain they are too high.
> come back to a little reality and they complain they are too low..........
>
> Back in those days people actully practiced to become better and this was
> additional income.
> also in those times, almost all houses were double shifted.
>
> Today, you need every customer you can get. league play is down, fewer
> people practice as their averages are higher and they think they are better.
> There are more and more choices for our time. heck the time we now spend
> here probably in the past was used for practice to some degree.
>
> the game has changed, the environment has changed, society has changed,but
> the needs have remained the same.
>
> League bowling is way down so they have to do what they can to get customers
> in the door.
>
> Basically I disagree with Ed's post BUT when you toss in the loudness of the
> music, that is where I agree with him.
> coming from the 60s and 70s you would think that loud would fit me but it
> never did. guess that is why I still have most of my hearing :-)
>
> --
> Douglas Moye
> Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
> member of consitution and by-laws committee,
> and hearings and rerating committee
> secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
> developing fossil\general pest
> "Dave Kent" <dave.kent@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:41587FCB.D5F71EB6@rochester.rr.com...
> > You did say "former" proprietor, right? This philosophy has certainly
> worked to
> > make bowling the booming business it is today! [grin] God forbid the place
> would
> > be full of a scratch league or [gasp] a tournament. Why, Joe "three games,
> once
> > per year" bowler might just happen in when the place is not available to
> him
> > and never come back.....
> >
> > bowldoug wrote:
> >
> > > I remember the philosophy of one of our larger but now former
> proprietors,
> > > CAW.
> > > "I don't wamt the better bowler in my establishment if I can help it. I
> want
> > > mom and pop mixed leagues. They are the bread and butter of my income.
> The
> > > bowlers who are 175 and over are nothing but cry babies and know it alls
> and
> > > do nothing but bitch and complain and make life miserable for everyone
> > > around them. they are not worth the hassle."
> > >
> > > In reality, especially with todays environment, was he really off base?
> > >
> > > Ed we are in the minority and they will cater to what is the most
> profitable
> > > and hassle free.
> > >
> > > Now just which one house are you refering to? I have absolutely no
> trouble
> > > finding a quiet place to practice and on both side of the city.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Douglas Moye
> > > Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
> > > member of consitution and by-laws committee,
> > > and hearings and rerating committee
> > > secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
> > > developing fossil\general pest
> > > "Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com> wrote in message
> > > news:kPWdnXVuSZWJV8vcRVn-rw@wideopenwest.com...
> > > > In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
> > > > bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can
> no
> > > > longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl
> environment.
> > > I
> > > > like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of
> > > music
> > > > from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling
> > > proprietors
> > > > need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet
> environment.
> > > I
> > > > may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
> > > > rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least
> I
> > > can
> > > > tolerate some of today's music.
> > > >
> > > > Edward DeGraaf,
> > > > USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
> > > > YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
> > > > 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
> > > >
> > > >
> >
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Date: 29 Sep 2004 19:02:14
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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Dave,
I couldn't have worded that any better myself. I'll gladly come work in your
bowling center anytime.
Edward DeGraaf,
USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
300 Game - 09/30/2003.
"Dave Kent" <dave.kent@rochester.rr.com > wrote in message
news:415B3D30.F7BCC6DF@rochester.rr.com...
> bowldoug wrote:
> All this means absolutely squat, of course. I have already voted with my
> feet
> as to the centers I will support with my wallet. If I feel that my input
> is held
> with disdain, there are still one or two other places to go. fer now
> anyways
>
> best to you
> dk
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Date: 02 Oct 2004 14:28:07
From: Dave Kent
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
I'll let you know when the magic numbers hit, Ed. [smile]
"Edward (300) DeGraaf" wrote:
> Dave,
>
> I couldn't have worded that any better myself. I'll gladly come work in your
> bowling center anytime.
>
> Edward DeGraaf,
> USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
> YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
> 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
>
> "Dave Kent" <dave.kent@rochester.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:415B3D30.F7BCC6DF@rochester.rr.com...
> > bowldoug wrote:
> > All this means absolutely squat, of course. I have already voted with my
> > feet
> > as to the centers I will support with my wallet. If I feel that my input
> > is held
> > with disdain, there are still one or two other places to go. fer now
> > anyways
> >
> > best to you
> > dk
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Date: 01 Oct 2004 20:21:48
From: bowldoug
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
first- you cannot offend me Dave. we have only met a few times and
everything else has been throught this NG but I have way too much respect
for you and your thoughts and opinions to be offended.
2nd- probably will have to agree to disagree to some degree:-)
3rd. >> and it pains me that folks that want bowling to survive as a "sport"
have beenconvinced by folks who only are interested in the money
available.<<
haven't beem convinced. your points are very valid and I do tend to agree
with you. I do want to see things improve and I do support this great game
as a sport, and I do agree with all your points about integrity......
I have been on both sides. being or having been in that "scratch" catagory
of players I have fought to have the better leagues in centers where I
worked. sometimes it works and sometimes it didn't
BUT, the proprietor does have a huge investment and it is his living so the
bottom line does have to be considered.having been in our scratch all star
leagues for several years and having worked at house that hosted them and
hosting the all star traveling league I have been able to see things from
both sides.
also having been in several of the "better" leagues in our area as a player
and as an observer, in general, I have to agree with just about everything
Angel posted.
yes these leagues to give a "guaranteed" income of lineage but the hassle
they create just may not be worth the effort the house have to put forth to
have them. they would be far better off having mom and pop mixed leagues.
You try to "use" the traveling leagues as a showcase. Let your house bowlers
see "real" competitive bowling. the sport aspect if you wish. What do you
get?
look at Angels post. I think she may have missed a few things but I can't
think of them at the moment.
Your regular customers see and hear the garbage she mentioned and they are
really impressed...NOT
the staff at several house that I have been involved in actually dreaded
when we had these travel leagues come in. yes it is a "mental" service
problem but one that us in the business had to deal with.
another downside of these leagues is somethng that most of us don't know or
recognize but can be a major problem down the road.
you have these "stars" in your house as a regular full time league. They
bitch about too much oil not enough oil, too easy conditions too tough
conditions yada yada yada and then what happens? your regular bowlers who
are really your bread and butter start complaining the same way and they
have no clue what they are complaining about. they figure if the "stars"
don't like it something must be wrong. now you have a full house of unhappy
folk where before you had a full house of happy folk.
As I stated before, from a business point of view, are we "scratch" bowlers
really worth the effort?
generallty speaking, the proprietors don't care about SPORT, they care about
the recreational activity bringing in the $.
do the 2 go hand in hand? you bet but at what % of the effort.
one more thing. about the integrity. I feel that they have gotten it
partially right with sport bowling just have it backward. the posrt bowling
should be the standard and the standard membership. the easier recreational
stuff with all the excessive awards etc should be the optional and as such
it should have the higher cost, not the sport.
the real awards should be the standard and for the sport, the recreational
should be changes to a complete different set of things.
bottom line the sport should be the cheaper membership and have the real
awards and the recreational should be the more expensive and have lessor
quality awards.
but this is a topic for another thread.
Dave, I like your ideas for owning a house but my fear would be that you
would go broke :-( ( from just the bowling aspect) some of the other
thoughts are just too good and common sense not to be of great value when
they can be implemented.
Also like you, I don't know the definitive answer and that is what is
creating our frustration.
--
Douglas Moye
Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
member of consitution and by-laws committee,
and hearings and rerating committee
secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
developing fossil\general pest
"Dave Kent" <dave.kent@rochester.rr.com > wrote in message
news:415B3D30.F7BCC6DF@rochester.rr.com...
> bowldoug wrote:
>
> > yes, former. had a chain of houses. sold them all for various reasons
but
> > basically it came down to gross economic mis management.
> > think about it Dave, those he didn't particularly care for were
definitely a
> > huge minority of the bowling population.
> > If you were 190+ you were in the top 8-10%
> > your scratch leagues were probably 75% or larger or the complaining and
> > bitching. were/are they really worth the hassle?
>
> I have thought about it ... at some length .... I have also tried to
compose
> this a few times but keep restarting because I like both you and Angel,
and it
> pains me that folks that want bowling to survive as a "sport" have been
> convinced by folks who only are interested in the money available.
>
> We may have to agree to disagree on this.
>
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Date: 02 Oct 2004 05:12:54
From: Angel
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
>I have thought about it ... at some length .... I have also tried to compose
>this a few times but keep restarting because I like both you and Angel, and
>it
>pains me that folks that want bowling to survive as a "sport" have been
>convinced by folks who only are interested in the money available.
>
>We may have to agree to disagree on this.
Wow, am I confused. I hope I didn't give the impression that I am 100% for
music over the experience of a league or serious practice bowlers. Indeed,
when no one can agree, I'm the first to insist it get turned off rather than
annoy anyone.
Obviously, in the sport bowling league (it's at another house, I'm secretary),
music would be inappropriate. But give us 30 seconds after the last shot is
thrown and the league that follows brings their own DJ, turntables and speakers
(at 10 pm--it's a music industry league. Their people call your people and
they do lunch, etc.
And in practice situations, on Sunday morning, I also said there should be a
way to choose which lanes have the music on or turned down. And in a center
where a bowler has a good relationship, you should be able to get your way. I
guess I'm looking at bowling as a continuum from the most laid back group of
collegiate socializers using the building as someplace to drink and hang out or
a 3- 1/2 year old running to the line with a bright pink power puff ball, all
the way up to the PBA member and the serious practice bowler/sport bowler. I
do believe there's a place for everyone along that continuum.
But just how the serious bowler expects (often DEMANDS) their rights, the open
bowler/birthday party guest is a paying customer too. Actually, what they pay
for bowling helps keep the league fees down for the rest of us. While they
pay top dollar for what they get, we bowl virtually year-round with the
exception of the major holidays. It all works out in the wash.
--
Angel
www.bowlingfans.com
www.bowlndiva.com
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Date: 11 Oct 2004 00:38:19
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
In article <NEg6d.1274$Rf1.1064@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com >, "bowldoug"
<bowldoug@ameritech.net > writes:
>Today, you need every customer you can get. league play is down, fewer
>people practice as their averages are higher and they think they are better.
Then they're not paying attention. Even if their averages are higher, logic
would show that the rest of the averages were higher as well. So if they were
2nd tier before, they're 2nd tier now. Thus the need to practice still exists.
Or maybe I'm just simplifying it too much...
Eldred
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Date: 27 Sep 2004 17:08:11
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
"bowldoug" <bowldoug@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:RAZ5d.11227$Qv5.1849@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> Now just which one house are you refering to? I have absolutely no trouble
> finding a quiet place to practice and on both side of the city.
Doug,
You name it and they now play music all the time during open bowling: Bowl
One, Fairlanes, Thunderbird, Pampa, Sunnybrook, Universal.
Tell me where I can go open bowling without music in the northern suburbs,
please??!!
Edward DeGraaf,
USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
300 Game - 09/30/2003.
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Date: 28 Sep 2004 01:36:00
From: Lisa
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
>Tell me where I can go open bowling without music in the northern suburbs,
>please??!!
Get your Mega Millions ticket for tomorrow's drawing. At $88 million, you
could buy your own center and make it as quiet as the gallery while Tiger's on
the green at the U.S. Open :D
*~Lisa~*
Raising kids is like trying to nail Jell-o to a tree.
ICQ #41686252
http://www.mapleleafs.com/
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Date: 28 Sep 2004 21:31:21
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
In article <20040927213600.02861.00000204@mb-m01.aol.com >,
eyeshot300@aol.comTimbits (Lisa) writes:
>>Tell me where I can go open bowling without music in the northern suburbs,
>>please??!!
>
>Get your Mega Millions ticket for tomorrow's drawing. At $88 million, you
>could buy your own center and make it as quiet as the gallery while Tiger's
>on
>the green at the U.S. Open :D
I'll be calling you and Edward to work as youth coaches after I win and build
my center....<g >
Eldred
--
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Date: 28 Sep 2004 17:41:42
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
"EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF > wrote in message
news:20040928173121.19972.00000665@mb-m18.aol.com...
> I'll be calling you and Edward to work as youth coaches after I win and
> build
> my center....<g>
>
> Eldred
Hey, You already promised me General Manager.
Edward DeGraaf,
USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
300 Game - 09/30/2003.
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Date: 11 Oct 2004 00:38:19
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
In article <CZadnZatV98FR8TcRVn-qw@wideopenwest.com >, "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf"
<edward300@spamwowway.com > writes:
>"EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF> wrote in message
>news:20040928173121.19972.00000665@mb-m18.aol.com...
>> I'll be calling you and Edward to work as youth coaches after I win and
>> build
>> my center....<g>
>>
>> Eldred
>
>Hey, You already promised me General Manager.
>
Yes, you're right. I mentioned coaching because I was responding to Lisa. You
don't want to do both(coach and manage)?
Eldred
--
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Date: 11 Oct 2004 16:44:39
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
Eldred,
Manage, coach, pin-numper, porter, etc. I'll do them all for you if you make
me General Manager.
Edward DeGraaf,
USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
300 Game - 09/30/2003.
"EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF > wrote in message
news:20041010203819.11479.00000826@mb-m29.aol.com...
> In article <CZadnZatV98FR8TcRVn-qw@wideopenwest.com>, "Edward \(300\)
> DeGraaf"
> <edward300@spamwowway.com> writes:
>
>>"EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF> wrote in message
>>news:20040928173121.19972.00000665@mb-m18.aol.com...
>>> I'll be calling you and Edward to work as youth coaches after I win and
>>> build
>>> my center....<g>
>>>
>>> Eldred
>>
>>Hey, You already promised me General Manager.
>>
>
> Yes, you're right. I mentioned coaching because I was responding to Lisa.
> You
> don't want to do both(coach and manage)?
>
> Eldred
> --
> http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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> Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71
> Hist. +82.34 MoH:na
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> Slayer Spektera lvl 79 assassin
> Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro
> US East
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Date: 12 Oct 2004 00:32:03
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
In article <u_WdnWtzh74kbffcRVn-vQ@wideopenwest.com >, "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf"
<edward300@spamwowway.com > writes:
>Eldred,
>
>Manage, coach, pin-numper, porter, etc. I'll do them all for you if you make
>me General Manager.
>
<g >
Deal!
Eldred
--
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Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro
US East
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Date: 12 Oct 2004 01:25:29
From: Lisa
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
>>Eldred,
>>
>>Manage, coach, pin-numper, porter, etc. I'll do them all for you if you make
>
>>me General Manager.
>>
>
><g>
>
>Deal!
Hey you two, the Mega Millions jackpot is $18 million... get your tickets
before Tuesday! ;)
*~Lisa~*
Raising kids is like trying to nail Jell-o to a tree.
ICQ #41686252
http://www.mapleleafs.com/
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Date: 11 Oct 2004 21:28:05
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
"Lisa" <eyeshot300@aol.comTimbits > wrote in message
news:20041011212529.15985.00004269@mb-m21.aol.com...
> Hey you two, the Mega Millions jackpot is $18 million... get your tickets
> before Tuesday! ;)
I'm doing my best. I'd love to get enough money to purchase Bowl One Lanes
(Troy, MI) away from those losers at Community Bowling Centers. Any
investors out there?
Edward DeGraaf,
USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
300 Game - 09/30/2003.
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Date: 13 Oct 2004 23:54:52
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
|
In article <ANKdnWHFj6e7rvbcRVn-hQ@wideopenwest.com >, "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf"
<edward300@spamwowway.com > writes:
>I'm doing my best. I'd love to get enough money to purchase Bowl One Lanes
>(Troy, MI) away from those losers at Community Bowling Centers. Any
>investors out there?
I take it you never responded to what's-his-name...? <g >
Eldred
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Date: 18 Oct 2004 02:13:43
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>From: "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf" edward300@spamwowway.com
>I'm doing my best. I'd love to get enough money to purchase Bowl One Lanes
>(Troy, MI) away from those losers at Community Bowling Centers. Any
>investors out there?
>
>Edward DeGraaf,
>USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
>YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
>300 Game - 09/30/2003.
>
How much you need? IRS impounded some of my bank accounts so I don't have much
but I can get it.
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Date: 18 Oct 2004 17:01:19
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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The rumor going around was that Bowl One sold for about $3.5 million. A 40
lane center fully modernized.
Edward DeGraaf,
USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
300 Game - 09/30/2003.
"NimBill" <nimbill@aol.comtisme > wrote in message
news:20041017221343.03318.00002256@mb-m17.aol.com...
> >From: "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf" edward300@spamwowway.com
>
>>I'm doing my best. I'd love to get enough money to purchase Bowl One Lanes
>>(Troy, MI) away from those losers at Community Bowling Centers. Any
>>investors out there?
>>
>>Edward DeGraaf,
>>USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
>>YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
>>300 Game - 09/30/2003.
>>
>
> How much you need? IRS impounded some of my bank accounts so I don't have
> much
> but I can get it.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: 19 Oct 2004 02:24:30
From: Lisa
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>The rumor going around was that Bowl One sold for about $3.5 million. A 40
>lane center fully modernized.
If Bill's loaning you the money, ask for extra so synthetics can be installed
:D
*~Lisa~*
Raising kids is like trying to nail Jell-o to a tree.
ICQ #41686252
http://www.mapleleafs.com/
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Date: 20 Oct 2004 00:47:18
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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Lisa,
Sorry, but no. I will keep the wood lanes. I love wood lanes. Those lanes
are in good shape.
Edward DeGraaf,
USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
300 Game - 09/30/2003.
"Lisa" <eyeshot300@aol.comTimbits > wrote in message
news:20041018222430.11054.00002191@mb-m14.aol.com...
> >The rumor going around was that Bowl One sold for about $3.5 million. A
> >40
>>lane center fully modernized.
>
> If Bill's loaning you the money, ask for extra so synthetics can be
> installed
> :D
>
> *~Lisa~*
> Raising kids is like trying to nail Jell-o to a tree.
> ICQ #41686252
> http://www.mapleleafs.com/
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Date: 31 Oct 2004 04:23:29
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>From: "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf" edward300@spamwowway.com
>The rumor going around was that Bowl One sold for about $3.5 million. A 40
>lane center fully modernized.
>
>Edward DeGraaf,
>USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
That is cheap! 40 lanes in New Mexico where dirt is cheap would go for more
than that.
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Date: 31 Oct 2004 15:49:19
From: Bowen691jack
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
>From: nimbill@aol.comtisme (NimBill)
>Date: 10/30/2004 10:23 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <20041031002329.29613.00001751@mb-m05.aol.com>
>
>>From: "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf" edward300@spamwowway.com
>
>>The rumor going around was that Bowl One sold for about $3.5 million. A 40
>>lane center fully modernized.
>>
>>Edward DeGraaf,
>>USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
>
>That is cheap! 40 lanes in New Mexico where dirt is cheap would go for more
>than that.
Add another $10,000 and you can buy the whole state - then sub-divide it for
the rats, rabbits and snakes
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Date: 05 Nov 2004 03:32:22
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>From: bowen691jack@aol.com (Bowen691jack)
>Add another $10,000 and you can buy the whole state - then sub-divide it
>for
>the rats, rabbits and snakes
>
Not exactly true. Neither Kerry or Bush needed me but my vote counted.
Rats are rare here because of the snakes. Rabbits are also not common because
there is a bounty on them but I occassionally go out and shoot some. They make
a good dinner.
Until you have lived knowing the US Supreme Court has decided New Mexico owes
water to Texas you will have no way of knowing how good the of feeling how
wonderful it feels to go piss.
We gotta send water to Texas via the Rio Grande and Pecos Rivers so I just piss
there.
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Date: 19 Oct 2004 16:52:15
From: bowldoug
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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as general manager youwould have no choice but to do them all :-)
--
Douglas Moye
Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
member of consitution and by-laws committee,
and hearings and rerating committee
secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
developing fossil\general pest
"Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com > wrote in message
news:u_WdnWtzh74kbffcRVn-vQ@wideopenwest.com...
> Eldred,
>
> Manage, coach, pin-numper, porter, etc. I'll do them all for you if you
make
> me General Manager.
>
> Edward DeGraaf,
> USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
> YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
> 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
>
>
> "EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF> wrote in message
> news:20041010203819.11479.00000826@mb-m29.aol.com...
> > In article <CZadnZatV98FR8TcRVn-qw@wideopenwest.com>, "Edward \(300\)
> > DeGraaf"
> > <edward300@spamwowway.com> writes:
> >
> >>"EldredP" <eldredp@aol.comSPAM-OFF> wrote in message
> >>news:20040928173121.19972.00000665@mb-m18.aol.com...
> >>> I'll be calling you and Edward to work as youth coaches after I win
and
> >>> build
> >>> my center....<g>
> >>>
> >>> Eldred
> >>
> >>Hey, You already promised me General Manager.
> >>
> >
> > Yes, you're right. I mentioned coaching because I was responding to
Lisa.
> > You
> > don't want to do both(coach and manage)?
> >
> > Eldred
> > --
> > http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> > Screamers League
> > IICC League
> > GPLRank -6.0 MoGPL rank +267.80
> > Ch.Rank +52.58 MoC +741.71
> > Hist. +82.34 MoH:na
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> > Slayer Spectral_K lvl 44 Necro
> > US East
>
>
>
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Date: 29 Sep 2004 01:34:24
From: Lisa
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>>Get your Mega Millions ticket for tomorrow's drawing. At $88 million, you
>>could buy your own center and make it as quiet as the gallery while Tiger's
>>on
>>the green at the U.S. Open :D
>
>I'll be calling you and Edward to work as youth coaches after I win and build
>my center....<g>
>
>Eldred
Eldred, you're ON!! :D
*~Lisa~*
Raising kids is like trying to nail Jell-o to a tree.
ICQ #41686252
http://www.mapleleafs.com/
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Date: 30 Sep 2004 03:04:04
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>From: eyeshot300@aol.comTimbits (Lisa)
>Get your Mega Millions ticket for tomorrow's drawing. At $88 million, you
>could buy your own center and make it as quiet as the gallery while Tiger's
>on
>the green at the U.S. Open :D
>*~Lisa~*
We don't do Mega Millions in New Mexico but I occasionally by tickets in Texas
when working there.
We do PowerBall in New Mexico and it is over $125 Million so I do have tickets
and a new bowling alley is part of my plan if I win.
I am Bill in New Mexico.
My daughter is 34 years old and so beautiful she could be on TV instead of an
accountant.
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Date: 28 Sep 2004 16:51:57
From: bowldoug
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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have you tried Astro,bonanza,bowlero,classic,clawson troy
elks,continantal,bronco,fiero, 5-star,fountainview, fraser
star,hartfields,hazel park, imperial, lakewood, airway, luxury,madison park,
north hill, pampa, regal, rosebowl, royal,royal oak lane,shelby,sterling,
troy lane, universal, van dyke,
distance may be a problem in some of these cases and time of day is also a
factor, and not all are quality places but... need does come to the front at
times.
--
Douglas Moye
Director Greater Detroit Bowling Association
member of consitution and by-laws committee,
and hearings and rerating committee
secretary Drakeshire Merchant Men,
developing fossil\general pest
"Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com > wrote in message
news:PfSdnf68go-hHMXcRVn-ow@wideopenwest.com...
> "bowldoug" <bowldoug@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:RAZ5d.11227$Qv5.1849@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
> > Now just which one house are you refering to? I have absolutely no
trouble
> > finding a quiet place to practice and on both side of the city.
>
> Doug,
>
> You name it and they now play music all the time during open bowling: Bowl
> One, Fairlanes, Thunderbird, Pampa, Sunnybrook, Universal.
>
> Tell me where I can go open bowling without music in the northern suburbs,
> please??!!
>
> Edward DeGraaf,
> USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
> YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
> 300 Game - 09/30/2003.
>
>
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Date: 28 Sep 2004 00:55:11
From: NimBill
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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>From: "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf" edward300@spamwowway.com
>In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
>bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
>longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment. I
>like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of music
>from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling proprietors
>need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment. I
>may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
>rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I can
>tolerate some of today's music.
>
>Edward DeGraaf,
>USAB Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
>YABA Certified Jr. Olympic Level II Coach.
>300 Game - 09/30/2003.
>
I agree with what you say but I have to also agree the owner needs a profit. I
don't bowl on Sundays or Mondays because too many customers care more about
football than bowling. The owner does not need me those nights!
Here Seniors bowl free on Monday morning and I am old enough but it is a day I
do work. Go figure! I work 4 hours a week and it is when they offer me free
bowling.
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Date: 28 Sep 2004 02:03:04
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Center Music.
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In article <kPWdnXVuSZWJV8vcRVn-rw@wideopenwest.com >, "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf"
<edward300@spamwowway.com > writes:
>In bowling's never ending quest to get the recreational bowler in the
>bowling alley, it has come to the point where the serious bowler can no
>longer go into a bowling alley and bowl in a non rock-n-bowl environment. I
>like to work on my game when I go bowling and the constant blaring of music
>from speakers hanging over the lanes is really annoying. Bowling proprietors
>need to remember the serious bowler likes at least semi-quiet environment. I
>may just decide to stop going open bowling altogether. I'm sure the
>rock-n-bowl mentality is also driving away the senior bowler. At least I can
>tolerate some of today's music.
Look at it as improving your concentration. If you can concentrate during rock
'n' bowl, you can concentrate *anywhere*... :-)
Eldred
--
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