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Date: 04 Feb 2004 19:01:23
From: Usenet
Subject: Bowling Books
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Anybody know the difference in the 1976 Edition and the 1993 edition of
"Par Bowling: The Challenge" ? I know the price is significant if you
want to get a 1993 one. Anybody got one they want to sell?
Also, I've read Bowling: Knowledge is key. Any other recommendations
out there? I'm a 190 bowling who is looking to go back to the
fundamentals and redesign my entire approach and release. Anybody
recommend Parker Bohn's book?
Cheers
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Date: 05 Feb 2004 12:13:36
From: ferret300
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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"Bowling Execution" by John Jowdy. I can't recomend it enough.
"Usenet" <usenet@cluestore.net > wrote in message
news:10235f6ka3h0755@corp.supernews.com...
> Anybody know the difference in the 1976 Edition and the 1993 edition of
> "Par Bowling: The Challenge" ? I know the price is significant if you
> want to get a 1993 one. Anybody got one they want to sell?
>
> Also, I've read Bowling: Knowledge is key. Any other recommendations
> out there? I'm a 190 bowling who is looking to go back to the
> fundamentals and redesign my entire approach and release. Anybody
> recommend Parker Bohn's book?
>
> Cheers
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Date: 05 Feb 2004 18:07:40
From: w.g.
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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Somewhere around Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:01:23 -0600, Usenet was brave
enough to write:
>Anybody know the difference in the 1976 Edition and the 1993 edition of
>"Par Bowling: The Challenge" ? I know the price is significant if you
>want to get a 1993 one. Anybody got one they want to sell?
>
I lost my copy of the 1976 version back when I left the game/sport
awhile back. Picked up the 1993 version when I came back so this is
based on memory. They are basically the same books but the 1993
version is updated for todays game. I recommend this book even if you
still have the 1973 version.
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Date: 05 Feb 2004 18:30:29
From: John O
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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> >Anybody know the difference in the 1976 Edition and the 1993 edition of
> >"Par Bowling: The Challenge" ? I know the price is significant if you
> >want to get a 1993 one. Anybody got one they want to sell?
> >
Use google to search ASB for the name of the book. I vaguely recall a thread
about the book a couple years ago.
-John O
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Date: 05 Feb 2004 18:40:13
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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>Anybody know the difference in the 1976 Edition and the 1993 edition of
>"Par Bowling: The Challenge" ? I know the price is significant if you
>want to get a 1993 one. Anybody got one they want to sell?
>
There's *that* much of a difference? I have the 1993 edition, but I don't
remember it being that expensive. I'll have to check.
>Also, I've read Bowling: Knowledge is key. Any other recommendations
>out there?
The Inner Game of Tennis, by Thomas Gallwey. It's about the mental aspect of
sport(not limited to just tennis). I aldo have The Mental Game that refers to
bosling, but I don't recall the author right now. I'll check when I get home.
>I'm a 190 bowling who is looking to go back to the
>fundamentals and redesign my entire approach and release. Anybody
>recommend Parker Bohn's book?
Haven't seen that one. I'll post a list of what I have later.
Eldred
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Date: 05 Feb 2004 13:39:51
From: Usenet
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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EldredP wrote:
>>Anybody know the difference in the 1976 Edition and the 1993 edition of
>>"Par Bowling: The Challenge" ? I know the price is significant if you
>>want to get a 1993 one. Anybody got one they want to sell?
>>
>
> There's *that* much of a difference? I have the 1993 edition, but I don't
> remember it being that expensive. I'll have to check.
Well, going by amazon.com this is a special order book, most likely
means you will never get it. The only 1993 version in the marketplace
demands 79$!!
> Haven't seen that one. I'll post a list of what I have later.
>
> Eldred
I see you attended the Dick Ritger camp. I am pondering going to the
one in San Antonio in April but haven't decided. I think it's good that
people mention they work with your style but my problem is that I don't
like my style. I really need to go back to the fundamanetals and
re-work everything. With that said, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be
wise to attend the camp?
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Date: 06 Feb 2004 02:00:17
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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In article <102570a7ppnoja0@corp.supernews.com >, Usenet <usenet@cluestore.net>
writes:
>
>EldredP wrote:
>>>Anybody know the difference in the 1976 Edition and the 1993 edition of
>>>"Par Bowling: The Challenge" ? I know the price is significant if you
>>>want to get a 1993 one. Anybody got one they want to sell?
>>>
>>
>> There's *that* much of a difference? I have the 1993 edition, but I don't
>> remember it being that expensive. I'll have to check.
>
>Well, going by amazon.com this is a special order book, most likely
>means you will never get it. The only 1993 version in the marketplace
>demands 79$!!
Geez, are you KIDDING?!? I just checked my copy - 1993 edition, $19.95 price
>> Haven't seen that one. I'll post a list of what I have later.
>>
>> Eldred
I had forgotten about posting the list. Here's a quick and dirty list of what
I have, and some comments:
Let it Go - Palmer Falgren: Talks about the mental game
Par Bowling - Thomas Kouros: good info for the advanced bowler as well as the
beginner(recommended)
Bowling: Knowledge is the key - Fred Borden: good info for the beginner, with
sections on matching equipment to the lane/advanced bowler info.(recommended)
The Pro Approach - Larry Mathews: more like a pamphlet(41 pages). gives info
that others don't - alignment, physical/mental conditioning, different ball
drillings, etc. More geared for advanced bowlers.
Bowling Setps to Success - Robers Strickland: Good info for beginning bowlers.
I had a couple of e-mail conversations with the author, and he seemed to be a
decent guy. Recommended for beginners - advanced bowlers may not get much from
it.
Championship Bowling - Earl Anthony: good all around info from the Doomsday
Striking Machine.
Bowl like a Pro - David Ozio: caters to intermediate bowlers, with some tips
that may help more advanced bowlers.
Bowling 300 - Dan Herbst: Tips from many different pros on there practice,
conditioning, and competition habits
Bowling 200 - Mike Aulby/Dave Ferraro: Basic info, but also gives ideas on
preparation and the mental game.
The Mental Game - George Allen: Excellent book on controlling your thoughts in
competition, incresing concentration, etc.(higly recommended!)
The Inner Game of Tennis - Timothy Gallwey(I think I said Thomas before): gives
good insight on how your conscious and subconscious work together(and sometimes
against each other) when you're playing a sport.(recommended)
Yeah, it's not a full review, but maybe somebody can gather some useful info
from what I've typed...<g >
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>I see you attended the Dick Ritger camp. I am pondering going to the
>one in San Antonio in April but haven't decided. I think it's good that
>people mention they work with your style but my problem is that I don't
>like my style. I really need to go back to the fundamanetals and
>re-work everything. With that said, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be
>wise to attend the camp?
If you want to change something, the coaches can work with you. If you're
ready to 'start over' you might just get more out of it than someone who
stubbornly wants to do things a certain way. An open mind is KEY. But, why
don't you like your style? Yes, attending would be wise, and money well spent.
Eldred
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Date: 06 Feb 2004 04:19:52
From: ALSPROSHOP
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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>(EldredP) wrote:
>I had forgotten about posting the list. Here's a quick and dirty list of
>what
>I have, and some comments:
>
>Let it Go - Palmer Falgren: Talks about the mental game
>
>Par Bowling - Thomas Kouros: good info for the advanced bowler as well as the
>beginner(recommended)
>
Got this one.It is the 1976 printing priced at $6.95 on the cover
>Bowling: Knowledge is the key - Fred Borden: good info for the beginner, with
>sections on matching equipment to the lane/advanced bowler info.(recommended)
>
And this one
>The Pro Approach - Larry Mathews: more like a pamphlet(41 pages). gives info
>that others don't - alignment, physical/mental conditioning, different ball
>drillings, etc. More geared for advanced bowlers.
>
And this one
>Bowling Setps to Success - Robers Strickland: Good info for beginning
>bowlers.
>I had a couple of e-mail conversations with the author, and he seemed to be a
>decent guy. Recommended for beginners - advanced bowlers may not get much
>from
>it.
>
I have Strickland's Perceptive Bowling.
>Championship Bowling - Earl Anthony: good all around info from the Doomsday
>Striking Machine.
>
>Bowl like a Pro - David Ozio: caters to intermediate bowlers, with some tips
>that may help more advanced bowlers.
>
and this one
>Bowling 300 - Dan Herbst: Tips from many different pros on there practice,
>conditioning, and competition habits
>
>Bowling 200 - Mike Aulby/Dave Ferraro: Basic info, but also gives ideas on
>preparation and the mental game.
>
>The Mental Game - George Allen: Excellent book on controlling your thoughts
>in
>competition, incresing concentration, etc.(higly recommended!)
>
and this one
Plus
"From Gutterballs to Strikes by Mike Durbin. (correcting 101 common errors)
Robby's new "Every Bowlers Training Manual". Great information
"The Bowler Manual" and "Secrets of Perfect Bowling" by Lou Bellisimo (Lou was
the Bowling instructor and coach at the University of Oregon, as well as a
member of the Staff of Champions, AMF)
I think the originator of the learn to bowl by starting with a 1 step and
working backwards. Everyone I know of that ever took one of his classes made a
huge improvement.
"Killer Bowling" by Bob Gunstrom (a book with a lot of interesting stuff,
graphics, etc)
"Fast Lanes" by Carmen Salvino (real interesting stories
"the Scenic Route to the Headpin", by Clark Richardson (the bowlers handbook
of excuses for lousy scores)
"Inner Bowling" by Barry Mann (Stanford bowling coach) very good principles
"The Perfect Game" by Herman Weiskopf (A great Coffee Table bowling history
book, with fantastic illustrations)
"the Tour Would Be Great IF You Didn't Have To Bowl" by Len Nicholson (great
stories, like the one Jim Godman didn't tell me about chasing his motorhome
down Mt Ashland)
and a couple booklets by Len, "Final Phase" and a special autographed gift to
me from Len "Bowling's Top Stars reveal their secrets in Final Phase II
all of Bill Taylor's books, FADDAB, Balance, and the booklets like Whatever
Happened to Don Carter.
and finally, the little 6 page book that took me from just bowling to a 200
average in 1967, "Advanced Bowling Manual" by Al A. Turya
Geez, feel like I just wrote a book myself. LOL
Al Whiteman
Executive Director , Portland Bowling Association
www.pbabowling.com
"Time spent bowling is never deducted from one's life span"
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Date: 06 Feb 2004 04:25:37
From: Lisa
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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You can internet-shop here:
www.bowlingsbookstore.com
*~Lisa~*
"A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse." ~ Rolf (Ed, Edd & Eddy)
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Date: 06 Feb 2004 12:04:44
From: Usenet
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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Lisa wrote:
> You can internet-shop here:
>
> www.bowlingsbookstore.com
>
>
> *~Lisa~*
> "A nod is as good as a wink to a blind horse." ~ Rolf (Ed, Edd & Eddy)
> ICQ #41686252
> http://www.mapleleafs.com/
I've seen the site Lisa. Any idea what edition the Par Bowling book
listed there is?
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Date: 06 Feb 2004 16:42:05
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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>
>and finally, the little 6 page book that took me from just bowling to a 200
>average in 1967, "Advanced Bowling Manual" by Al A. Turya
>
>
>Geez, feel like I just wrote a book myself. LOL
Wow, that's a lot of stuff. But then again, you're a lot older than I am...<g >
Eldred
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Date: 06 Feb 2004 12:24:33
From: Usenet
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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EldredP wrote:
> Bowling: Knowledge is the key - Fred Borden: good info for the beginner, with
> sections on matching equipment to the lane/advanced bowler info.(recommended)
I've got this one. Wonder if there is going to be a second edition
ever, or is that basically another title by Fred Borden?
> If you want to change something, the coaches can work with you. If you're
> ready to 'start over' you might just get more out of it than someone who
> stubbornly wants to do things a certain way. An open mind is KEY. But, why
> don't you like your style? Yes, attending would be wise, and money well spent.
Well, to begin with I'm most inaccurate. I think this goes back to
fundamental errors. I'm self taught and really need to video myself.
It's hard to explain how I throw the ball, but I'll take a swag. First,
I'm the type that has to throw the least hooking balls out of pro-line
equipment and still stand on 35. This is fine on the house shot but put
me on a dry condition and I'm in trouble. I "roll" the ball. I throw
it about 16 mph on average. The funny thing about my ball speed is that
you can put a 16, 15, 14, 13 in my hand and my ball speed is nearly the
same which leads me to believe my energy is spent more in hitting the
ball upward versus down the lane.
Okay, this is where it gets hard to explain. I'm more of a pendulum
back swing but somewhere near the bottom of my downswing, toward the
release, I do some sort of "slight" bend on the elbow which creates a
lot of tension on the bottom of your bicep near the inside of your
elbow. Instead of a "long and low" arm swing I'm pendulum till about
half-way on the downswing then it's more of a direct down. Don't
picture a huge bend but it's enough to cause either tendon or ligament
soreness after 3 games. If I had to bowl two days in a row I'm toast.
I think the bending is an attempt to get wrist cup and lift
(unconsciously) from a weak wrist back when I learned to throw a hook
perhaps. I'm also starting to get wrist pains too, not to mention my
lower back is in pretty bad shape now, and I'm 31. I chalk that up to
this crappy computer chair that I have to sit in 12 hours a day.
Bowling makes this problem worse. Next we get to balance problems at
the line. I'm either going to fall off to the right, or have too much
weight on the back and lose balance backwards. All this equates to
"spray". I still can average 190+ but this shot isn't hard, spares
costs me (as well as most people) the extra pins. I quit bowling 5
years ago and am just now getting back to it.
I really feel that starting from scratch again would be the best
thing for me, but who knows a good coach might suggest otherwise. I did
try to throw 14lb for a little bit (I normally throw 15) but this still
causes that bicep/tendon/whatever problem it is. I'm not sure what type
of doctor should look at this and what's the best way to see if there is
any damage. I'm thinking of taking a month off and try to recover my
back and seek medical attention (maybe physical therapy) on my back and
arm. If things are not looking so good then going to the camp is out of
the question. Since my arm fatigues after 3-5 games, I wouldn't be able
to hack it in the Ritger camp due to the number of balls thrown is like
800 over 4 days, or so I hear.
Thanks for letting me ramble in the most incoherent way :)
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Date: 07 Feb 2004 20:26:06
From: EldredP
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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In article <1027mv78mibmn38@corp.supernews.com >, Usenet <usenet@cluestore.net>
writes:
> I really feel that starting from scratch again would be the best
>thing for me, but who knows a good coach might suggest otherwise. I did
>try to throw 14lb for a little bit (I normally throw 15) but this still
>causes that bicep/tendon/whatever problem it is. I'm not sure what type
>of doctor should look at this and what's the best way to see if there is
>any damage. I'm thinking of taking a month off and try to recover my
>back and seek medical attention (maybe physical therapy) on my back and
>arm. If things are not looking so good then going to the camp is out of
>the question. Since my arm fatigues after 3-5 games, I wouldn't be able
>to hack it in the Ritger camp due to the number of balls thrown is like
>800 over 4 days, or so I hear.
Yes, you WILL roll a lot of shots. Maybe you can stop by your local camp, and
see if one of the coaches has time to quickly help you during the lunch break.
Or, maybe after the regular session.
You can also watch while the rest of the class practices. You won't get the
personal instruction/feedback that they do, but maybe something the coaches say
will trigger a revelation for you.
Eldred
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Date: 06 Feb 2004 02:50:02
From: w.g.
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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Somewhere around Wed, 04 Feb 2004 19:01:23 -0600, Usenet was brave
enough to write:
>Anybody know the difference in the 1976 Edition and the 1993 edition of
>"Par Bowling: The Challenge" ? I know the price is significant if you
>want to get a 1993 one. Anybody got one they want to sell?
>
>Also, I've read Bowling: Knowledge is key. Any other recommendations
>out there? I'm a 190 bowling who is looking to go back to the
>fundamentals and redesign my entire approach and release. Anybody
>recommend Parker Bohn's book?
Forgot to give a link to the bowling book store
http://www.bowlingsbookstore.com/ . They have par bowling listed for
$19.95 usd . Not sure what that converts to in whatever currency you
use.
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Date: 06 Feb 2004 04:26:17
From: Lisa
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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>Forgot to give a link to the bowling book store
oops! That's what I get for not reading all the way through the messages
before posting :\
*~Lisa~*
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Date: 08 Feb 2004 06:21:44
From: Brad
Subject: Re: Bowling Books
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Usenet wrote:
> Also, I've read Bowling: Knowledge is key. Any other recommendations
> out there? I'm a 190 bowling who is looking to go back to the
> fundamentals and redesign my entire approach and release. Anybody
> recommend Parker Bohn's book?
I don't know if I'd even put much faith into books. Just get videos of
pros whom you'd like to bowl like, watch them in slo-mo, and then
practice what you've watched. A part-time job at a bowling alley in
order to get free bowling can do wonders.
Books are good for learning blackjack, but I don't think they are too
good for bowling. I'd wager there's more bowling knowledge available on
this newsgroup than there is in most bowling books. I don't know about
Parker's book, but I do know I understood his "throw straight at spares"
articles in various publications the first time I read it, as well as
the fifth time I read it somewhere else. And the new ABC periodical
with angling your feet... *yawn*.
I think most people just need a lot of practice to develop (or copy)
their style, and then have a decent person or a video camera watch them
to show them what areas to improve. VHS will show you real quick where
you are sucking.
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