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Date: 08 Aug 2007 22:21:06
From: litefrozen
Subject: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
I've noticed that the BTM Balls review spreadsheet (balls.xls) in the FAQ's at ballreviews.com
doesn't look to have been updated anytime recently.

So i've made a more updated one. It covers the balls from the January
2002 to August 2007 issues. I also added in the Box finishes for the
balls, plus some missing balls and corrected numbers.

You can get it here-
http://home.earthlink.net/~litefrozen/bowling/BTM_Reviews.zip

http://home.earthlink.net/~litefrozen/bowling/index.htm

It's a 184k zip file and has the sheet in Excel.xls and openoffice .ods
formats.




 
Date: 11 Aug 2007 09:21:30
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
> I made my sheet with OpenOffice. I provided the excel .xls sheet just incase anyone
> couldn't handle the openoffice .ods format.

Ok, I sit corrected and respectfully beg your forgiveness. It's nice
to encounter another OOo-colyte! :)



 
Date: 10 Aug 2007 08:11:48
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
On Aug 10, 1:05 am, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:
> A very good piece of work!
>
> In case you weren't aware, OpenOffice can DIRECTLY open Excel 2003 and
> earlier format spreadsheets (it can't handle Office 2007 stuff
> yet!). :)

Just a clarification on the intent of my response: you didn't need to
provide a separate OpenOffice "calc" spreadsheet UNLESS your Excel
sheet was created using Office 2007. :)

I hope you have a good weekend....



  
Date: 10 Aug 2007 17:01:01
From: litefrozen
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
In article <1186758708.287738.97280@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com >, PromptJock <102151.3223@compuserve.com> wrote:

> On Aug 10, 1:05 am, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:
> > A very good piece of work!
> >
> > In case you weren't aware, OpenOffice can DIRECTLY open Excel 2003 and
> > earlier format spreadsheets (it can't handle Office 2007 stuff
> > yet!). :)
>
> Just a clarification on the intent of my response: you didn't need to
> provide a separate OpenOffice "calc" spreadsheet UNLESS your Excel
> sheet was created using Office 2007. :)
>
> I hope you have a good weekend....
>

I made my sheet with OpenOffice. I provided the excel .xls sheet just incase anyone
couldn't handle the openoffice .ods format.


   
Date: 10 Aug 2007 23:49:37
From: Tony R Smith
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
Why anyone would pay ~ $200+ to $700 (depending on which version and
whether or not it is an upgrade) for Microsoft Office is beyond me. Open
Office is multi-platform (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, Solaris, and
FreeBSD), multi-lingual, and reads and writes in Star Office, Open
Office (Star Office and Open Office are a Sun Microsystems office
suites), Microsoft Office, and other specialty formats such as dBase and
AportisDoc (Palm). You can even export your creations as a .pdf file!
Star Office and Open Office are virtually the same software minus a few
extra features and the support that you get from Sun with Star Office.
Star Office costs $69.95 while Open Office is completely free... so,
unless you are a power user or you have a problem with getting something
for nothing, you would probably be better off with Open Office. Below is
a link to a comparison of Open Office and Microsoft Office 2007

http://www.openoffice.org/product/docs/ms2007vsooo2.pdf

Here is a link to the Open Office home page

http://www.openoffice.org/

Sun is in the process of creating a Mac OSX non X11 windowing
environment version of their software known as Aqua. It is currently in
its alpha test version stage which you can download use. I have had no
problems with it yet and it looks great. Here is a link to Aqua for
those interested.

http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/aqua.html

Sorry for hijacking the group... back to bowling!

litefrozen wrote:
> In article <1186758708.287738.97280@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>, PromptJock <102151.3223@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 10, 1:05 am, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>> A very good piece of work!
>>>
>>> In case you weren't aware, OpenOffice can DIRECTLY open Excel 2003 and
>>> earlier format spreadsheets (it can't handle Office 2007 stuff
>>> yet!). :)
>> Just a clarification on the intent of my response: you didn't need to
>> provide a separate OpenOffice "calc" spreadsheet UNLESS your Excel
>> sheet was created using Office 2007. :)
>>
>> I hope you have a good weekend....
>>
>
> I made my sheet with OpenOffice. I provided the excel .xls sheet just incase anyone
> couldn't handle the openoffice .ods format.


    
Date: 12 Aug 2007 23:26:13
From: Robert A. Zanol
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
Tony,

I agree about the pricing, Microsoft suites are totally outrageous. I use MS
Office though, and it costs me nothing. When I lived in Ellicott City, MD I
managed a Brunswick center there. One of my league bowlers gave me a
genuine, holographed disc of MS Office Professional 97 as a gift. It came
with the genuine Office product key. It turns out his brother in law robbed
a tractor trailer full of software. So I got a very expensive Office Suite
for free. In 2000 a co-worker who is a registered OEM license holder with
Microsoft gave me a copy of Office 2000 Business Edition with the product
key. I used these for years until I obtained a version the 2007 Office
Suite. I didnt have a product key so I downloaded a key generator. The key
let me activate the software, But I can't download any updates from the
office site. I don't really care because I mainly use it for documents and
presentations for work. If I didn't have any of these I would use Open
Office, but why should I when I have the best for free?

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"Tony R Smith" <tonyrsmith@myrealbox.com > wrote in message
news:46bd5c01$0$31279$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Why anyone would pay ~ $200+ to $700 (depending on which version and
> whether or not it is an upgrade) for Microsoft Office is beyond me. Open
> Office is multi-platform (Windows, Linux, Mac OSX, Solaris, and FreeBSD),
> multi-lingual, and reads and writes in Star Office, Open Office (Star
> Office and Open Office are a Sun Microsystems office suites), Microsoft
> Office, and other specialty formats such as dBase and AportisDoc (Palm).
> You can even export your creations as a .pdf file! Star Office and Open
> Office are virtually the same software minus a few extra features and the
> support that you get from Sun with Star Office. Star Office costs $69.95
> while Open Office is completely free... so, unless you are a power user or
> you have a problem with getting something for nothing, you would probably
> be better off with Open Office. Below is a link to a comparison of Open
> Office and Microsoft Office 2007
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/product/docs/ms2007vsooo2.pdf
>
> Here is a link to the Open Office home page
>
> http://www.openoffice.org/
>
> Sun is in the process of creating a Mac OSX non X11 windowing environment
> version of their software known as Aqua. It is currently in
> its alpha test version stage which you can download use. I have had no
> problems with it yet and it looks great. Here is a link to Aqua for those
> interested.
>
> http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/download/aqua.html
>
> Sorry for hijacking the group... back to bowling!
>
> litefrozen wrote:
>> In article <1186758708.287738.97280@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>> PromptJock <102151.3223@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 1:05 am, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com> wrote:
>>>> A very good piece of work!
>>>>
>>>> In case you weren't aware, OpenOffice can DIRECTLY open Excel 2003 and
>>>> earlier format spreadsheets (it can't handle Office 2007 stuff
>>>> yet!). :)
>>> Just a clarification on the intent of my response: you didn't need to
>>> provide a separate OpenOffice "calc" spreadsheet UNLESS your Excel
>>> sheet was created using Office 2007. :)
>>>
>>> I hope you have a good weekend....
>>>
>>
>> I made my sheet with OpenOffice. I provided the excel .xls sheet just
>> incase anyone couldn't handle the openoffice .ods format.




     
Date: 14 Aug 2007 19:32:59
From: Tony R Smith
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
"best" is a matter of opinion... personally, I can't stand anything
Microsoft. About a year ago I bought a MacBook Pro (which I am typing
this post on). One of the selling points was that I could dual boot it
using Apple Boot Camp and have Windows XP for the few programs I have
that run on Windows. I have built a number of computers in the past and
am very knowledgeable about how to keep Windows running at peak
capacity... that said, more programs crash these day on XP than since
the Windows 9X days. Luckily, some programs like Firefox give you the
option to "restore session" when they crash, which is a very nice
feature. Ironically, Firefox doesn't crash on OSX, and neither does
Thunderbird. Coincidence? My brother has a Windows XP machine that is
about 4 years old that I helped him build. The only "new" software on
his computer is XP, Firefox, Thunderbird, Skype, and a few other
miscellaneous programs. We both have Diablo II expansion (circa 2002) on
our computers. He has 1 GB of RAM and a 256 MB GeForce 3 AGP video card.
During the past year he suddenly had problems playing Diablo II on his
computer. We ran several test programs on his computer to find out if he
had hardware issues... there were none. When he opened the task manager
(ctrl+alt+del) and viewed the processes tab he found that several
programs were using 50-100% more memory on his computer than the same
programs on my computer and to top it off his CPU usage with nothing
running would bounce from 20-60%. As soon as he opened up Firefox or
Internet Explorer it would jump to 100% and then bounce from 40-70%.
Opening Diablo would max it out. This is a program that is 5 years old
and designed to run on computers much less powerful than his is. It ran
flawlessly until the current year. I have had him reformat and reinstall
his OS/software a few times in the past (something he is not keen on),
the last time was probably a year ago. In my opinion it has to be
Windows updates that have been installed on his computer. I can see no
other reason for the coincidence of programs (non-Microsoft programs)
crashing on both of our Windows systems but not on OSX as well as the
unusually high memory and CPU usage of like programs on his system
relative to mine. If anyone has a different theory, I'm all ears. His
processor is an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4 Ghz on an Abit KG7-Raid
motherboard.

Again, back to bowling!

Robert A. Zanol wrote:
> Tony,
>
> I agree about the pricing, Microsoft suites are totally outrageous. I use MS
> Office though, and it costs me nothing. When I lived in Ellicott City, MD I
> managed a Brunswick center there. One of my league bowlers gave me a
> genuine, holographed disc of MS Office Professional 97 as a gift. It came
> with the genuine Office product key. It turns out his brother in law robbed
> a tractor trailer full of software. So I got a very expensive Office Suite
> for free. In 2000 a co-worker who is a registered OEM license holder with
> Microsoft gave me a copy of Office 2000 Business Edition with the product
> key. I used these for years until I obtained a version the 2007 Office
> Suite. I didnt have a product key so I downloaded a key generator. The key
> let me activate the software, But I can't download any updates from the
> office site. I don't really care because I mainly use it for documents and
> presentations for work. If I didn't have any of these I would use Open
> Office, but why should I when I have the best for free?
>


      
Date: 16 Aug 2007 11:01:55
From: Robert A. Zanol
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
I hear a lot of people say they have problems with Windows. I guess I am a
lucky one. I have been running Windows XP Professional for four years now on
an HP Pavilion and have had no problems. I was wondering what this has to
do with Office and open Office though. And you are correct, "best" is a
matter of opinion. I like the Microsoft Office Suite because of familiarity
and ease of use. It is perfectly fine for what purpose I use it.

A friend of mine downloaded the open office software which claimed to open
any "office" files including Microsofts but was disillusioned when the
Microsoft files opened. The formatting was all fouled up. He very quickly
uninstalled it.

RAZ

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"Tony R Smith" <tonyrsmith@myrealbox.com > wrote in message
news:46c265db$0$16436$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "best" is a matter of opinion... personally, I can't stand anything
> Microsoft. About a year ago I bought a MacBook Pro (which I am typing this
> post on). One of the selling points was that I could dual boot it using
> Apple Boot Camp and have Windows XP for the few programs I have that run
> on Windows. I have built a number of computers in the past and am very
> knowledgeable about how to keep Windows running at peak capacity... that
> said, more programs crash these day on XP than since the Windows 9X days.
> Luckily, some programs like Firefox give you the option to "restore
> session" when they crash, which is a very nice feature. Ironically,
> Firefox doesn't crash on OSX, and neither does Thunderbird. Coincidence?
> My brother has a Windows XP machine that is about 4 years old that I
> helped him build. The only "new" software on his computer is XP, Firefox,
> Thunderbird, Skype, and a few other miscellaneous programs. We both have
> Diablo II expansion (circa 2002) on our computers. He has 1 GB of RAM and
> a 256 MB GeForce 3 AGP video card. During the past year he suddenly had
> problems playing Diablo II on his computer. We ran several test programs
> on his computer to find out if he had hardware issues... there were none.
> When he opened the task manager (ctrl+alt+del) and viewed the processes
> tab he found that several programs were using 50-100% more memory on his
> computer than the same programs on my computer and to top it off his CPU
> usage with nothing running would bounce from 20-60%. As soon as he opened
> up Firefox or Internet Explorer it would jump to 100% and then bounce from
> 40-70%. Opening Diablo would max it out. This is a program that is 5 years
> old and designed to run on computers much less powerful than his is. It
> ran flawlessly until the current year. I have had him reformat and
> reinstall his OS/software a few times in the past (something he is not
> keen on), the last time was probably a year ago. In my opinion it has to
> be Windows updates that have been installed on his computer. I can see no
> other reason for the coincidence of programs (non-Microsoft programs)
> crashing on both of our Windows systems but not on OSX as well as the
> unusually high memory and CPU usage of like programs on his system
> relative to mine. If anyone has a different theory, I'm all ears. His
> processor is an AMD Athlon Thunderbird 1.4 Ghz on an Abit KG7-Raid
> motherboard.
>
> Again, back to bowling!
>
> Robert A. Zanol wrote:
>> Tony,
>>
>> I agree about the pricing, Microsoft suites are totally outrageous. I use
>> MS Office though, and it costs me nothing. When I lived in Ellicott City,
>> MD I managed a Brunswick center there. One of my league bowlers gave me a
>> genuine, holographed disc of MS Office Professional 97 as a gift. It came
>> with the genuine Office product key. It turns out his brother in law
>> robbed a tractor trailer full of software. So I got a very expensive
>> Office Suite for free. In 2000 a co-worker who is a registered OEM
>> license holder with Microsoft gave me a copy of Office 2000 Business
>> Edition with the product key. I used these for years until I obtained a
>> version the 2007 Office Suite. I didnt have a product key so I downloaded
>> a key generator. The key let me activate the software, But I can't
>> download any updates from the office site. I don't really care because I
>> mainly use it for documents and presentations for work. If I didn't have
>> any of these I would use Open Office, but why should I when I have the
>> best for free?
>>




       
Date: 17 Aug 2007 01:41:45
From: Tony R Smith
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
I read and write with Open Office in Microsoft Office formats and have
had no problems what so ever with the formatting being fouled up...
YMMV. Open Office claims to be 100% compatible, and that has been my
experience.

Robert A. Zanol wrote:
> I hear a lot of people say they have problems with Windows. I guess I am a
> lucky one. I have been running Windows XP Professional for four years now on
> an HP Pavilion and have had no problems. I was wondering what this has to
> do with Office and open Office though. And you are correct, "best" is a
> matter of opinion. I like the Microsoft Office Suite because of familiarity
> and ease of use. It is perfectly fine for what purpose I use it.
>
> A friend of mine downloaded the open office software which claimed to open
> any "office" files including Microsofts but was disillusioned when the
> Microsoft files opened. The formatting was all fouled up. He very quickly
> uninstalled it.
>
> RAZ
>


        
Date: 17 Aug 2007 10:43:37
From: Robert A. Zanol
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
Like I said, that is what my friend Doug told me. I did see one file opened
which was a Word 2000 file I had sent him a few years back. It didn't look
like the otiginal file. The words we spaced irregularly and some of the pics
I had inserted were not in the exact same location compared to the words.I
don't really know because I dont use open office. That is the only file I
have ever seen opened with open office. By the way just for the hell of it I
had him open the Word 2000 file and everything was exactly as I had made it.

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"Tony R Smith" <tonyrsmith@myrealbox.com > wrote in message
news:46c55f49$0$18977$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>I read and write with Open Office in Microsoft Office formats and have had
>no problems what so ever with the formatting being fouled up... YMMV. Open
>Office claims to be 100% compatible, and that has been my experience.
>
> Robert A. Zanol wrote:
>> I hear a lot of people say they have problems with Windows. I guess I am
>> a lucky one. I have been running Windows XP Professional for four years
>> now on an HP Pavilion and have had no problems. I was wondering what
>> this has to do with Office and open Office though. And you are correct,
>> "best" is a matter of opinion. I like the Microsoft Office Suite because
>> of familiarity and ease of use. It is perfectly fine for what purpose I
>> use it.
>>
>> A friend of mine downloaded the open office software which claimed to
>> open any "office" files including Microsofts but was disillusioned when
>> the Microsoft files opened. The formatting was all fouled up. He very
>> quickly uninstalled it.
>>
>> RAZ
>>




 
Date: 10 Aug 2007 01:05:19
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: BTM Balls review spreadsheet
A very good piece of work!

In case you weren't aware, OpenOffice can DIRECTLY open Excel 2003 and
earlier format spreadsheets (it can't handle Office 2007 stuff
yet!). :)