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Date: 10 Jul 2005 22:57:35
From: Steve Stephens
Subject: Attractive women bowlers
Hello,

I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
thought to be attractive. Many thanks.







 
Date: 15 Aug 2005 20:44:12
From: BowlTX
Subject: Attractive women bowlers
A writer asked a simple question seeking assistance and he got four
pages of crap from most of you. You really know how to promote our
sport.



  
Date: 16 Aug 2005 15:20:56
From: JohnO
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
>A writer asked a simple question seeking assistance and he got four
> pages of crap from most of you. You really know how to promote our
> sport.

Welcome to usenet. <g >

BTW, I thought the original question was pretty stupid. How does
'attractive' qualify a bowler?

-John O




  
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Date: 16 Jul 2005 11:54:17
From: Ryan Press \(NI\)
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Actually, I have just been thinking, and my girlfriend is the most beautiful
woman that has ever bowled :D

Ryan


"Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com > wrote in message
news:zJhAe.17934$XB2.5251566@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
> being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
> names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
>
>
>




  
Date: 18 Jul 2005 15:07:36
From: Spammy Sammy
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers

"Ryan Press (NI)" <juan-carlos.lupino@talk21.com > wrote in message
news:Jz6Ce.363$F_2.66@newsfe6-win.ntli.net...
> Actually, I have just been thinking, and my girlfriend is the most
beautiful
> woman that has ever bowled :D

Any chance of posting a pic? lol :)




 
Date: 14 Jul 2005 20:45:11
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:57:35 GMT, "Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com >
wrote:

>Hello,
>
>I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
>being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
>professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
>names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
>thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
>
>

I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
seeks "attractive" people for its subjects.

Write for some other sport. We don't want you here.


  
Date: 15 Jul 2005 15:14:34
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
>Skipper" <cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:n3ced1tm324blk2gdeuc8vt1ufqspi7gko@4ax.com...
> I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
> seeks "attractive" people for its subjects.
>
> Write for some other sport. We don't want you here.

I want you to know that I am offended by anyone, that is offended by anyone,
that doesn't seek attractive women.

We want them to write about bowling and we do want them here.

Did I mention Leila Wagner (drool).




   
Date: 15 Jul 2005 21:15:41
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:14:34 -0400, "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf"
<edward300@spamwowway.com > wrote:


>
>I want you to know that I am offended by anyone, that is offended by anyone,
>that doesn't seek attractive women.
>

I think I understand your meaning in spite of your verbage problem.
I think you mean, "that seeks attractive women".

Make a stand for what you believe.


    
Date: 17 Jul 2005 22:46:15
From: Chuck McGowan
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
"Skipper" wrote:
>
> I think I understand your meaning in spite of your verbage problem.
> I think you mean, "that seeks attractive women".
>
> Make a stand for what you believe.

I believe you overstepped your bounds in your original post when you stated
"we don't want you here". I believe in taking personal responsibility for
actions as well as for statements, and what you meant was, "I don't want you
here." Do not include me in whatever you feel is right for you. I could
care less if the guy wants to write about attractive women bowlers. If
that's what gets him paid, gets him off, or WHATEVER, if he is not impinging
upon your right to live your life as you wish, what does it matter to you?

Chuck McGowan




     
Date: 19 Jul 2005 08:24:23
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:46:15 -0700, "Chuck McGowan"
<charliemac64nospam@comcast.net > wrote:


>I believe you overstepped your bounds in your original post when you stated
>"we don't want you here". I believe in taking personal responsibility for
>actions as well as for statements, and what you meant was, "I don't want you
>here." Do not include me in whatever you feel is right for you. I could
>care less if the guy wants to write about attractive women bowlers. If
>that's what gets him paid, gets him off, or WHATEVER, if he is not impinging
>upon your right to live your life as you wish, what does it matter to you?
>
>Chuck McGowan
>

Point well taken, Chuck. Your stand is that you have no care for
morals or values if they might infringe upon someone else's freedom of
expression, and that is valuable and honorable IMHO.

What offends me is the thought that "attractive" women somehow have
more value than other women. And I think my point is also valid,
though it is purely subjective.

I actually thought there were other bowlers in this forum that
would share my values about the virtures of ALL women, so i errored
and said, "we".


      
Date: 20 Jul 2005 08:42:37
From: Eldred Pickett
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:24:23 -0700, Skipper
<cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com > wrote:

> What offends me is the thought that "attractive" women somehow have
>more value than other women.

Not *the* thought - *your* thought. Show me where the OP equated
value with attractiveness?

> And I think my point is also valid,
>though it is purely subjective.

Valid to you, and subjective, as you said.

Eldred


      
Date: 19 Jul 2005 23:56:40
From: Chuck McGowan
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers

"Skipper" wrote:
> Point well taken, Chuck. Your stand is that you have no care for
> morals or values if they might infringe upon someone else's freedom of
> expression, and that is valuable and honorable IMHO.

My "stand" has nothing to do with morals or values. What may be immoral to
you may be perfectly moral to me, and vice-versa. What you consider a
"value" may be something I find outrageously offensive. Such as, oh, I
don't know, speaking for a group when you are only an individual that has
neither consulted nor been appointed representative of said group.

Murder? Immoral. Writing about attractive women bowlers? Hardly immoral.
Do I "value" reading pap such as what this man is proposing to write? No.
And therefore, I would not buy it nor read it. Would I throw into the
eternal fires of hell someone who enjoys reading such pap? No. Yeehaw and
yippee skippie get off your horse regarding morals and values.

> What offends me is the thought that "attractive" women somehow have
> more value than other women. And I think my point is also valid,
> though it is purely subjective.

OK, let's review the initial post and find where the poster said anything
about how he found more value in attractive women than other women. Hey!
There's not a DAMN THING in there about that!!! It was an ASSIGNMENT. Get
off the man about doing his job or schoolwork with your "morals". THAT's
what I'm saying.

I think your point is valid, but not in the context of the original post.
He asked for advice, a direction...basically HELP...and you jumped down his
throat. In your original post, you stated:

"I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
seeks 'attractive' people for its subjects.

"Write for some other sport. We don't want you here."

That post has absolutely nothing to do with being moral. You stated your
opinion, applied it to all of us, and did it in an extremely rude and
discourteous manner. I don't want anyone making a post like that saying
that he/she represents the view of all bowlers in this group, specifically
me, and I'm sure there are plenty others in this group that would agree with
me. They may share your opinion about this guy's job and his magazine's
content, but I doubt they'd come across so rude if they stated this. In
fact, they'd probably keep their mouth shut because it's NONE OF THEIR DAMN
BUSINESS. Further, I think a vast majority of the people in here would have
offered him what he sought rather than expressing an opinion in the form of
a group consensus. Let's review the posts. YEP...looks like the posters
offered him HELP as opposed to an in-your-face-get-out-of-my-newsgroup type
of post that gave everyone in here a black eye when it comes to this guy's
opinion of bowlers.

> I actually thought there were other bowlers in this forum that
> would share my values about the virtures of ALL women, so i errored
> and said, "we".

Now we're talking about the "virtures" (sic) of all women. You are damn
right you "errored" (sic) when you said "we". It makes you look like a fool
(along with others that you inadvertently grouped with you), and projects
the image that bowlers are a bunch of assholes. At least, that's what I got
out of your post. I don't know you from Adam, but you struck a nerve in me.
And I'm sure there are others in this group that feel the same way as you.
But NEVER speak for a group if you are not sure they all feel the same as
you. NEVER assume your morals and values are the same as others'.

I agree with your post in response to Paul S. in which you state, "If you
really believe in being conditioned to think
'attractive' people have more merit or value, then speak out." I believe
people are defined by their actions and their reactions to life's
situations, not their looks.

But what was the original poster's assignment? To write about beautiful
women in sport. He may not have wanted this assignment, but completing this
assignment is likely key for him to provide for himself (and family if appli
cable) or to him achieving a passing mark in school, either of which, I'm
sure you will agree, is moral and virtuous. But you disregarded that,
stated your opinion, and assigned its ownership upon all of us, and that
pisses me off.

This is alt.sport.bowling, he asked for help identifying attractive women
bowlers. Perfectly acceptable in my opinion. This isn't
alt.philosophy.morals.

Chuck




       
Date: 22 Jul 2005 12:55:50
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Tue, 19 Jul 2005 23:56:40 -0700, "Chuck McGowan"
<charliemac64nospam@comcast.net > wrote:


>And I'm sure there are others in this group that feel the same way as you.

I am not sure of that. No one else has spoken up.

> NEVER assume your morals and values are the same as others'.
>

I didn't think they would be the same; but some would be close
enough. I believe I was wrong. It appears no one else in the group is
even close.

> I believe
>people are defined by their actions and their reactions to life's
>situations, not their looks.
>

It is well-documented that a jury is less likely to convict an
attractive person, regardless of his/her actions.

>But what was the original poster's assignment? To write about beautiful
>women in sport. He may not have wanted this assignment, but completing this
>assignment is likely key for him to provide for himself (and family if appli
>cable) or to him achieving a passing mark in school, either of which, I'm
>sure you will agree, is moral and virtuous.

Carlos Castaneda's teacher and mentor, Don Juan, spoke about this.
Carlos wanted to gain mystical knowledge in order to write about it in
his books. Don Juan called him a "pimp".
Those are the words of a Native American warrior and man-of-power;
not my words.




"Speak to the wall, that the door may hear."
-Sufi saying


        
Date: 22 Jul 2005 19:03:30
From: Chuck McGowan
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers

"Skipper" wrote:
> >And I'm sure there are others in this group that feel the same way as
you.
>
> I am not sure of that. No one else has spoken up.

Maybe because they don't like to stir the pot. Whatever, I'm sure there are
people out there that feel the same as you but exercised better judgment by
not posting something as outrageously offensive (to me) as you did.

> It is well-documented that a jury is less likely to convict an
> attractive person, regardless of his/her actions.

Perhaps you could quote me a source for this documentation. I'm not
disagreeing with you, I'd just like to know the source for your argument.
It is a sad statement of our society if true, and I'd have to tend to agree
with you that it is. Too often people state statistics or "well known
facts" that simply aren't true or are misleading. Take our government, for
example...

> Carlos Castaneda's teacher and mentor, Don Juan, spoke about this.
> Carlos wanted to gain mystical knowledge in order to write about it in
> his books. Don Juan called him a "pimp".
> Those are the words of a Native American warrior and man-of-power;
> not my words.

One could argue those are the words of a peyote freak, too. The existance
of "Don Juan" has never been proven, but Castaneda's use of hallucinogenic
substances has. Don't get me wrong...I've done my share of hallucinogens
myself and have been "enlightened" in one form or another, but chalked it up
to being high. I never felt as though my use of drugs was the gateway to
spiritual enlightenment, and I certainly don't put any weight in the
"teachings" of enlightenment through the use of hallucinogenics. If you're
trying to say that the original poster is a pimp for writing about beautiful
women to feed his family, aren't we all pimps (or, more accurately, whores)
for selling our brains/bodies for wages to feed/clothe/shelter ourselves?

> "Speak to the wall, that the door may hear."
> -Sufi saying

"Never bullshit a bullshitter."
-Chuck McGowan saying

I'm not saying your view isn't right, because it's YOUR VIEW. It's right
for you. My view is right for me. Just don't say that everyone feels as
you do when it is intuitively obvious that not everyone feels the same way.
I am assuming you are well-read if you know of Castaneda (either that or a
hippie stuck in the 60's...I prefer thinking the former [with a little bit
of the latter thrown in...it's a good thing])...surely you should know
better than to make a statement such as the one that you made in your reply
to the original post.

Chuck McGowan




         
Date: 23 Jul 2005 08:59:38
From: P Wilson
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Good look women, on average, also get better grades in college and make more
money.

"Chuck McGowan" <charliemac64nospam@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:IuudndpEGP5rOXzfRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>
> "Skipper" wrote:
>> >And I'm sure there are others in this group that feel the same way as
> you.
>>
>> I am not sure of that. No one else has spoken up.
>
> Maybe because they don't like to stir the pot. Whatever, I'm sure there
> are
> people out there that feel the same as you but exercised better judgment
> by
> not posting something as outrageously offensive (to me) as you did.
>
>> It is well-documented that a jury is less likely to convict an
>> attractive person, regardless of his/her actions.
>
> Perhaps you could quote me a source for this documentation. I'm not
> disagreeing with you, I'd just like to know the source for your argument.
> It is a sad statement of our society if true, and I'd have to tend to
> agree
> with you that it is. Too often people state statistics or "well known
> facts" that simply aren't true or are misleading. Take our government,
> for
> example...
>
>> Carlos Castaneda's teacher and mentor, Don Juan, spoke about this.
>> Carlos wanted to gain mystical knowledge in order to write about it in
>> his books. Don Juan called him a "pimp".
>> Those are the words of a Native American warrior and man-of-power;
>> not my words.
>
> One could argue those are the words of a peyote freak, too. The existance
> of "Don Juan" has never been proven, but Castaneda's use of hallucinogenic
> substances has. Don't get me wrong...I've done my share of hallucinogens
> myself and have been "enlightened" in one form or another, but chalked it
> up
> to being high. I never felt as though my use of drugs was the gateway to
> spiritual enlightenment, and I certainly don't put any weight in the
> "teachings" of enlightenment through the use of hallucinogenics. If
> you're
> trying to say that the original poster is a pimp for writing about
> beautiful
> women to feed his family, aren't we all pimps (or, more accurately,
> whores)
> for selling our brains/bodies for wages to feed/clothe/shelter ourselves?
>
>> "Speak to the wall, that the door may hear."
>> -Sufi saying
>
> "Never bullshit a bullshitter."
> -Chuck McGowan saying
>
> I'm not saying your view isn't right, because it's YOUR VIEW. It's right
> for you. My view is right for me. Just don't say that everyone feels as
> you do when it is intuitively obvious that not everyone feels the same
> way.
> I am assuming you are well-read if you know of Castaneda (either that or a
> hippie stuck in the 60's...I prefer thinking the former [with a little bit
> of the latter thrown in...it's a good thing])...surely you should know
> better than to make a statement such as the one that you made in your
> reply
> to the original post.
>
> Chuck McGowan
>
>




          
Date: 24 Jul 2005 01:46:41
From: Ryan Press \(NI\)
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
That's probably just a cofidence sort of thing though.... its along the same
reason of why better looking women _generally_ wear nicer clothes... :-P

Ryan


"P Wilson" <pwilson782@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:_FnEe.2612$Ow4.1134883@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Good look women, on average, also get better grades in college and make
more
> money.
>
> "Chuck McGowan" <charliemac64nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:IuudndpEGP5rOXzfRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Skipper" wrote:
> >> >And I'm sure there are others in this group that feel the same way as
> > you.
> >>
> >> I am not sure of that. No one else has spoken up.
> >
> > Maybe because they don't like to stir the pot. Whatever, I'm sure there
> > are
> > people out there that feel the same as you but exercised better judgment
> > by
> > not posting something as outrageously offensive (to me) as you did.
> >
> >> It is well-documented that a jury is less likely to convict an
> >> attractive person, regardless of his/her actions.
> >
> > Perhaps you could quote me a source for this documentation. I'm not
> > disagreeing with you, I'd just like to know the source for your
argument.
> > It is a sad statement of our society if true, and I'd have to tend to
> > agree
> > with you that it is. Too often people state statistics or "well known
> > facts" that simply aren't true or are misleading. Take our government,
> > for
> > example...
> >
> >> Carlos Castaneda's teacher and mentor, Don Juan, spoke about this.
> >> Carlos wanted to gain mystical knowledge in order to write about it in
> >> his books. Don Juan called him a "pimp".
> >> Those are the words of a Native American warrior and man-of-power;
> >> not my words.
> >
> > One could argue those are the words of a peyote freak, too. The
existance
> > of "Don Juan" has never been proven, but Castaneda's use of
hallucinogenic
> > substances has. Don't get me wrong...I've done my share of
hallucinogens
> > myself and have been "enlightened" in one form or another, but chalked
it
> > up
> > to being high. I never felt as though my use of drugs was the gateway
to
> > spiritual enlightenment, and I certainly don't put any weight in the
> > "teachings" of enlightenment through the use of hallucinogenics. If
> > you're
> > trying to say that the original poster is a pimp for writing about
> > beautiful
> > women to feed his family, aren't we all pimps (or, more accurately,
> > whores)
> > for selling our brains/bodies for wages to feed/clothe/shelter
ourselves?
> >
> >> "Speak to the wall, that the door may hear."
> >> -Sufi saying
> >
> > "Never bullshit a bullshitter."
> > -Chuck McGowan saying
> >
> > I'm not saying your view isn't right, because it's YOUR VIEW. It's
right
> > for you. My view is right for me. Just don't say that everyone feels
as
> > you do when it is intuitively obvious that not everyone feels the same
> > way.
> > I am assuming you are well-read if you know of Castaneda (either that or
a
> > hippie stuck in the 60's...I prefer thinking the former [with a little
bit
> > of the latter thrown in...it's a good thing])...surely you should know
> > better than to make a statement such as the one that you made in your
> > reply
> > to the original post.
> >
> > Chuck McGowan
> >
> >
>
>




           
Date: 25 Jul 2005 01:20:50
From: Spammy Sammy
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers

"Ryan Press (NI)" <juan-carlos.lupino@talk21.com > wrote in message
news:5qCEe.2123$SO4.1731@newsfe4-win.ntli.net...
> That's probably just a cofidence sort of thing though.... its along the
same
> reason of why better looking women _generally_ wear nicer clothes... :-P
>
> Ryan

Maybe it's a case of normal clothes simply looking better on a decent
hanger.




           
Date: 24 Jul 2005 08:34:24
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers

>> "Chuck McGowan" <charliemac64nospam@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:IuudndpEGP5rOXzfRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>> >

> Don't get me wrong...I've done my share of
>hallucinogens
> myself

Well, I have never done any. I don't even take asprin.

>> >
>> > "Never bullshit a bullshitter."
>> > -Chuck McGowan saying
>> >

Right. I have walked away.


           
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Date: 20 Jul 2005 12:23:54
From: Darby
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Well said.......Standing ovation!
Dar

"Chuck McGowan" <charliemac64nospam@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:MIadnaFLmPKsaEDfRVn-tw@comcast.com...
>
> "Skipper" wrote:
>> Point well taken, Chuck. Your stand is that you have no care for
>> morals or values if they might infringe upon someone else's freedom of
>> expression, and that is valuable and honorable IMHO.
>
> My "stand" has nothing to do with morals or values. What may be immoral
> to
> you may be perfectly moral to me, and vice-versa. What you consider a
> "value" may be something I find outrageously offensive. Such as, oh, I
> don't know, speaking for a group when you are only an individual that has
> neither consulted nor been appointed representative of said group.
>
> Murder? Immoral. Writing about attractive women bowlers? Hardly
> immoral.
> Do I "value" reading pap such as what this man is proposing to write? No.
> And therefore, I would not buy it nor read it. Would I throw into the
> eternal fires of hell someone who enjoys reading such pap? No. Yeehaw
> and
> yippee skippie get off your horse regarding morals and values.
>
>> What offends me is the thought that "attractive" women somehow have
>> more value than other women. And I think my point is also valid,
>> though it is purely subjective.
>
> OK, let's review the initial post and find where the poster said anything
> about how he found more value in attractive women than other women. Hey!
> There's not a DAMN THING in there about that!!! It was an ASSIGNMENT.
> Get
> off the man about doing his job or schoolwork with your "morals". THAT's
> what I'm saying.
>
> I think your point is valid, but not in the context of the original post.
> He asked for advice, a direction...basically HELP...and you jumped down
> his
> throat. In your original post, you stated:
>
> "I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
> seeks 'attractive' people for its subjects.
>
> "Write for some other sport. We don't want you here."
>
> That post has absolutely nothing to do with being moral. You stated your
> opinion, applied it to all of us, and did it in an extremely rude and
> discourteous manner. I don't want anyone making a post like that saying
> that he/she represents the view of all bowlers in this group, specifically
> me, and I'm sure there are plenty others in this group that would agree
> with
> me. They may share your opinion about this guy's job and his magazine's
> content, but I doubt they'd come across so rude if they stated this. In
> fact, they'd probably keep their mouth shut because it's NONE OF THEIR
> DAMN
> BUSINESS. Further, I think a vast majority of the people in here would
> have
> offered him what he sought rather than expressing an opinion in the form
> of
> a group consensus. Let's review the posts. YEP...looks like the posters
> offered him HELP as opposed to an in-your-face-get-out-of-my-newsgroup
> type
> of post that gave everyone in here a black eye when it comes to this guy's
> opinion of bowlers.
>
>> I actually thought there were other bowlers in this forum that
>> would share my values about the virtures of ALL women, so i errored
>> and said, "we".
>
> Now we're talking about the "virtures" (sic) of all women. You are damn
> right you "errored" (sic) when you said "we". It makes you look like a
> fool
> (along with others that you inadvertently grouped with you), and projects
> the image that bowlers are a bunch of assholes. At least, that's what I
> got
> out of your post. I don't know you from Adam, but you struck a nerve in
> me.
> And I'm sure there are others in this group that feel the same way as you.
> But NEVER speak for a group if you are not sure they all feel the same as
> you. NEVER assume your morals and values are the same as others'.
>
> I agree with your post in response to Paul S. in which you state, "If you
> really believe in being conditioned to think
> 'attractive' people have more merit or value, then speak out." I believe
> people are defined by their actions and their reactions to life's
> situations, not their looks.
>
> But what was the original poster's assignment? To write about beautiful
> women in sport. He may not have wanted this assignment, but completing
> this
> assignment is likely key for him to provide for himself (and family if
> appli
> cable) or to him achieving a passing mark in school, either of which, I'm
> sure you will agree, is moral and virtuous. But you disregarded that,
> stated your opinion, and assigned its ownership upon all of us, and that
> pisses me off.
>
> This is alt.sport.bowling, he asked for help identifying attractive women
> bowlers. Perfectly acceptable in my opinion. This isn't
> alt.philosophy.morals.
>
> Chuck
>
>




      
Date: 20 Jul 2005 01:08:15
From: P Wilson
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Skip,

Attractive women tend to draw interest from people who otherwise aren't
interested in a subject. I'm not a racing fan, but find myself reading
about Danica Patrick. I have no interest in cooking, but will stop and
watch Rachael Ray for a few minutes if she's on when I am flipping the
channels. I remember being at the bowling US Open pro am several years
back, which was co-ed, and found myself watching a particular female pro
because, yes, I thought she was quite attractive. That doesn't make me the
scum sucking dirtbag you seem to suggest I am. If this thread was started
along the lines of "Hey, are there any hot women bowlers I can jerk off
to?", your response would be justified. But I think you need serious help,
or at least a better understanding of human nature.


"Skipper" <cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:c36qd1lj5ptn4m90pa7gl41sgv3g4sl4hp@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 17 Jul 2005 22:46:15 -0700, "Chuck McGowan"
> <charliemac64nospam@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I believe you overstepped your bounds in your original post when you
>>stated
>>"we don't want you here". I believe in taking personal responsibility for
>>actions as well as for statements, and what you meant was, "I don't want
>>you
>>here." Do not include me in whatever you feel is right for you. I could
>>care less if the guy wants to write about attractive women bowlers. If
>>that's what gets him paid, gets him off, or WHATEVER, if he is not
>>impinging
>>upon your right to live your life as you wish, what does it matter to you?
>>
>>Chuck McGowan
>>
>
> Point well taken, Chuck. Your stand is that you have no care for
> morals or values if they might infringe upon someone else's freedom of
> expression, and that is valuable and honorable IMHO.
>
> What offends me is the thought that "attractive" women somehow have
> more value than other women. And I think my point is also valid,
> though it is purely subjective.
>
> I actually thought there were other bowlers in this forum that
> would share my values about the virtures of ALL women, so i errored
> and said, "we".




       
Date: 22 Jul 2005 12:55:49
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Wed, 20 Jul 2005 01:08:15 GMT, "P Wilson" <pwilson782@hotmail.com >
wrote:

> That doesn't make me the
>scum sucking dirtbag you seem to suggest I am.
>

I am really sorry you misunderstood my intent.

I was talking about the value of people and I certainly never intended
to call anyone nasty names.





   
Date: 15 Jul 2005 19:58:10
From: Gator
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Can you believe a 203 avg and only made $8,590...


"Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com > wrote in message
news:-emdnUqytq2BlkXfRVn-1Q@wideopenwest.com...
> >Skipper" <cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:n3ced1tm324blk2gdeuc8vt1ufqspi7gko@4ax.com...
> > I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
> > seeks "attractive" people for its subjects.
> >
> > Write for some other sport. We don't want you here.
>
> I want you to know that I am offended by anyone, that is offended by
anyone,
> that doesn't seek attractive women.
>
> We want them to write about bowling and we do want them here.
>
> Did I mention Leila Wagner (drool).
>
>




    
Date: 15 Jul 2005 21:18:43
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 19:58:10 GMT, "Gator" <gator@ourworld.cc > wrote:

>Can you believe a 203 avg and only made $8,590...
>
>

It would hardly pay travel and meals in today's world.


  
Date: 15 Jul 2005 08:46:28
From: Paul S.
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Seems like a lot of us here like the topic of this thread. Who doesn't like
attractive people? Oh yeah, I know: Ugly people.

"Skipper" <cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:n3ced1tm324blk2gdeuc8vt1ufqspi7gko@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:57:35 GMT, "Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
>>being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
>>professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
>>names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
>>thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
>>
>>
>
> I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
> seeks "attractive" people for its subjects.
>
> Write for some other sport. We don't want you here.




   
Date: 15 Jul 2005 08:46:28
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:46:28 -0400, "Paul S." <paul4aes@optonline.net >
wrote:

>Seems like a lot of us here like the topic of this thread. Who doesn't like
>attractive people? Oh yeah, I know: Ugly people.
>

What I don't like is the value given to people because of their
appearance.

I don't remember ever being called ugly, but I have been called
"desirable" and "hot". I am over 6' tall and very muscular because I
worked in logging until I turned 50 and retired a couple years ago.

It takes guts to make a stand for what you believe.

If you really believe in being conditioned to think
"attractive" people have more merit or value, then speak out.

I believe even the shortest or "most pear-shaped" person has the same
intrinsic value and merit as everyone else.


    
Date: 20 Jul 2005 08:39:41
From: Eldred Pickett
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:46:28 -0700, Skipper
<cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com > wrote:

> What I don't like is the value given to people because of their
>appearance.

Who said anything about value? I believe the question was(in
essense): "Which women bowlers do you find attractive?"
I think Tish Joshson is an *excellent* bowler, even though I don't
find her particularly attractive.

Eldred


    
Date: 15 Jul 2005 12:47:10
From: mhood
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
They certainly shine as breeding stock. ;-)

mhood

Skipper wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 08:46:28 -0400, "Paul S." <paul4aes@optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Seems like a lot of us here like the topic of this thread. Who doesn't like
>>attractive people? Oh yeah, I know: Ugly people.
>>
>
>
> What I don't like is the value given to people because of their
> appearance.
>
> I don't remember ever being called ugly, but I have been called
> "desirable" and "hot". I am over 6' tall and very muscular because I
> worked in logging until I turned 50 and retired a couple years ago.
>
> It takes guts to make a stand for what you believe.
>
> If you really believe in being conditioned to think
> "attractive" people have more merit or value, then speak out.
>
> I believe even the shortest or "most pear-shaped" person has the same
> intrinsic value and merit as everyone else.


     
Date: 15 Jul 2005 15:11:31
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
"mhood" <mhood@adently.com > wrote in message
news:11dftl043lkth28@corp.supernews.com...
> They certainly shine as breeding stock. ;-)

That's why the brown paper sack was invented. Not to mention light's out.
What you can't see won't scare you.




  
Date: 15 Jul 2005 07:58:49
From: GSalisbury
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
I was wondering how long it would take... 4 Days 4 Hours

"Skipper" <cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:n3ced1tm324blk2gdeuc8vt1ufqspi7gko@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:57:35 GMT, "Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hello,
> >
> >I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports.
Not
> >being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> >professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
> >names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> >thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
> >
> >
>
> I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
> seeks "attractive" people for its subjects.
>
> Write for some other sport. We don't want you here.




   
Date: 16 Jul 2005 11:55:08
From: Ryan Press \(NI\)
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Its funny too because BJI ran an article recently which was along these
lines in some ways...

Ryan


"GSalisbury" <salsburyg at comcast dot net > wrote in message
news:ZJmdnQU50sVjOUrfRVn-1g@comcast.com...
> I was wondering how long it would take... 4 Days 4 Hours
>
> "Skipper" <cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:n3ced1tm324blk2gdeuc8vt1ufqspi7gko@4ax.com...
> > On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:57:35 GMT, "Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports.
> Not
> > >being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> > >professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run
some
> > >names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> > >thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
> > seeks "attractive" people for its subjects.
> >
> > Write for some other sport. We don't want you here.
>
>




    
Date: 16 Jul 2005 09:08:51
From: Paul S.
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Probably because, unfortunately, there's nothing to write about concerning
professional women bowlers these days.


"Ryan Press (NI)" <juan-carlos.lupino@talk21.com > wrote in message
news:wA6Ce.821$jo3.56@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
> Its funny too because BJI ran an article recently which was along these
> lines in some ways...
>
> Ryan
>
>
> "GSalisbury" <salsburyg at comcast dot net> wrote in message
> news:ZJmdnQU50sVjOUrfRVn-1g@comcast.com...
>> I was wondering how long it would take... 4 Days 4 Hours
>>
>> "Skipper" <cptnsailsnospamm@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:n3ced1tm324blk2gdeuc8vt1ufqspi7gko@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 22:57:35 GMT, "Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >Hello,
>> > >
>> > >I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports.
>> Not
>> > >being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
>> > >professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run
> some
>> > >names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
>> > >thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> > I want you to know I am offended by anyone or any publication that
>> > seeks "attractive" people for its subjects.
>> >
>> > Write for some other sport. We don't want you here.
>>
>>
>
>




   
Date: 15 Jul 2005 08:50:44
From: Skipper
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Fri, 15 Jul 2005 07:58:49 -0400, "GSalisbury" <salsburyg at comcast
dot net > wrote:

>I was wondering how long it would take... 4 Days 4 Hours
>

Yes. I was camping with my foster family and didn't see it for
several days.


 
Date: 14 Jul 2005 09:39:21
From: Dan The Man
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Kim Adler, Jeanne (Maiden) Naccarato, Lisa "Rocket" Wagner, and (for
the Afro-American fans) Cheryl Daniels.

Dan C



  
Date: 20 Jul 2005 08:36:26
From: Eldred Pickett
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On 14 Jul 2005 09:39:21 -0700, "Dan The Man" <cochrand@address.com >
wrote:

>Kim Adler, Jeanne (Maiden) Naccarato, Lisa "Rocket" Wagner, and (for
>the Afro-American fans) Cheryl Daniels.

Who says that Afro-American fans can't like a Caucasian(or Asian, or
whoever) bowler...? If you think someone is attractive, just say so.
No need to mention her race.

Eldred


 
Date: 13 Jul 2005 10:05:02
From: Polarhound
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Kim Adler:
http://www.kimadler.com/images/Img84.jpg
http://www.kimadler.com/images/Img150.jpg

Lai Kin Ngoh:
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Dugout/3339/blast2.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Dugout/3339/blast11.jpg


  
Date: 14 Jul 2005 00:57:06
From: Spammy Sammy
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers

"Polarhound" <Polarhound@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:c56dnQRF2IC2gkjfRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
> Kim Adler:
> http://www.kimadler.com/images/Img84.jpg
> http://www.kimadler.com/images/Img150.jpg
>
> Lai Kin Ngoh:
> http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Dugout/3339/blast2.jpg
> http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Dugout/3339/blast11.jpg

the first pic look like she's got a couple of 10lb'ers on her chest :-)
I wonder if they hook good.




 
Date: 11 Jul 2005 22:44:59
From: David Detrick
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Two women I have followed whom I thought were attractive and have prospered
in the now defunct PWBA Professional Woman's Bowling Association were Leanne
Barrette web site http://www.geocities.com/leannebarrette/ and Cathy Dorin
Lizzie no web site but many pictures and stories about her accomplishments
in the sport. Just do a search.

Have fun

Dave
"Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com > wrote in message
news:zJhAe.17934$XB2.5251566@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
> being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
> names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
>
>
>




  
Date: 12 Jul 2005 15:53:54
From: Eldred Pickett
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:44:59 -0400, "David Detrick" <holstein@ptd.net >
wrote:

>Two women I have followed whom I thought were attractive and have prospered
>in the now defunct PWBA Professional Woman's Bowling Association were Leanne
>Barrette web site http://www.geocities.com/leannebarrette/ and Cathy Dorin
>Lizzie no web site but many pictures and stories about her accomplishments
>in the sport. Just do a search.

I happened to think that Leanne was attractive as well, but I don't
think that view is shared by too many.

What about Cara Honeychurch? I haven't seen her mentioned yet...

Eldred


   
Date: 12 Jul 2005 21:09:46
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Sorry, but I never thought Leanne Barrette was even remotely good looking.

Edward DeGraaf,
USBC Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
Latest 300 Game - 09/30/2003.


"Eldred Pickett" <epickett@NOSPAM.umich.edu > wrote in message
news:sr78d1d5fdmliqv135irkn68vo4cp67k4g@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:44:59 -0400, "David Detrick" <holstein@ptd.net>
> wrote:
>
>>Two women I have followed whom I thought were attractive and have
>>prospered
>>in the now defunct PWBA Professional Woman's Bowling Association were
>>Leanne
>>Barrette web site http://www.geocities.com/leannebarrette/ and Cathy Dorin
>>Lizzie no web site but many pictures and stories about her accomplishments
>>in the sport. Just do a search.
>
> I happened to think that Leanne was attractive as well, but I don't
> think that view is shared by too many.
>
> What about Cara Honeychurch? I haven't seen her mentioned yet...
>
> Eldred




    
Date: 13 Jul 2005 07:52:58
From: Eldred Pickett
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:09:46 -0400, "Edward \(300\) DeGraaf"
<edward300@spamwowway.com > wrote:

>Sorry, but I never thought Leanne Barrette was even remotely good looking.

No need to apologize, Edward. As I stated to David, not many would
share our opinion... :-)

Eldred


     
Date: 13 Jul 2005 13:10:13
From: pkstore2
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
If Anna Kournikova was a bowler............honestly there are a ton of cute
girls that bowled pro but most of them just bowled their local stops & not
Nationals so they are not big names.




    
Date: 12 Jul 2005 22:23:46
From: Darby
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
I love Leanne's eyes, beautiful. I think she may have a native American
heritage. I had a poster/picture of her releasing the ball in the closet I
rent for my equipment at the lanes with a picture of her releasing the ball.
Wow, what form. She's my hero!!!
Dar

"Edward (300) DeGraaf" <edward300@spamwowway.com > wrote

>
> "Eldred Pickett" <epickett@NOSPAM.umich.edu> wrote
>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:44:59 -0400, "David Detrick" <holstein@ptd.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Two women I have followed whom I thought were attractive and have
>>>prospered
>>>in the now defunct PWBA Professional Woman's Bowling Association were
>>>Leanne
>>>Barrette web site http://www.geocities.com/leannebarrette/ and Cathy
>>>Dorin
>>>Lizzie no web site but many pictures and stories about her
>>>accomplishments
>>>in the sport. Just do a search.
>>
>> I happened to think that Leanne was attractive as well, but I don't
>> think that view is shared by too many.
>>
>> What about Cara Honeychurch? I haven't seen her mentioned yet...
>>
>> Eldred
>
>




     
Date: 13 Jul 2005 07:54:07
From: Eldred Pickett
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 22:23:46 -0500, "Darby" <darlene@caves.net > wrote:

>I love Leanne's eyes, beautiful.

That's probably what I find attractive.

>I think she may have a native American
>heritage.

Really? I never really thought about that...

Eldred


 
Date: 10 Jul 2005 20:00:21
From: Rustbelt
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
BTW, whatever happened to LCT?



 
Date: 10 Jul 2005 21:50:07
From: Darby
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
If you are serious try www.ladiesclassictour.com/
Dar

"Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com > wrote in message
news:zJhAe.17934$XB2.5251566@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
> being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
> names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
>
>
>




  
Date: 11 Jul 2005 20:17:25
From: Gator
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
I thought the subject was ATTRACTIVE women bowlers???

"Darby" <darlene@caves.net > wrote in message
news:11d3nil9fesr9dd@corp.supernews.com...
> If you are serious try www.ladiesclassictour.com/
> Dar
>
> "Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com> wrote in message
> news:zJhAe.17934$XB2.5251566@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports.
Not
> > being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> > professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run
some
> > names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> > thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
> >
> >
> >
>
>




   
Date: 11 Jul 2005 15:32:57
From: Darby
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
That's not nice! There are some very good looking ladies that were on the
Pro Tour. And attractive would include sparkling personalities, which is
descriptive of many of them!
Dar

"Gator" <gator@ourworld.cc > wrote in
>I thought the subject was ATTRACTIVE women bowlers???
>
> "Darby" <darlene@caves.net> wrote >> If you are serious try
> www.ladiesclassictour.com/
>> Dar
>>
>> "Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com> wrote
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports.
> Not
>> > being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
>> > professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run
> some
>> > names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
>> > thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>




    
Date: 11 Jul 2005 21:17:14
From: Gator
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
My apologies and you are absolutely correct there are MANY attractive women
bowlers I just didn't really see any on this web site.

"Darby" <darlene@caves.net > wrote in message
news:11d5lrekpqmducb@corp.supernews.com...
> That's not nice! There are some very good looking ladies that were on the
> Pro Tour. And attractive would include sparkling personalities, which is
> descriptive of many of them!
> Dar
>
> "Gator" <gator@ourworld.cc> wrote in
> >I thought the subject was ATTRACTIVE women bowlers???
> >
> > "Darby" <darlene@caves.net> wrote >> If you are serious try
> > www.ladiesclassictour.com/
> >> Dar
> >>
> >> "Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com> wrote
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports.
> > Not
> >> > being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> >> > professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run
> > some
> >> > names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> >> > thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>




 
Date: 11 Jul 2005 00:49:17
From: Ryan Press \(NI\)
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
Diandra (formaly) Hymen...

Ryan


"Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com > wrote in message
news:zJhAe.17934$XB2.5251566@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
> being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
> names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> thought to be attractive. Many thanks.
>
>
>




 
Date: 10 Jul 2005 20:28:19
From: Edward \(300\) DeGraaf
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers
"Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com > wrote in message
news:zJhAe.17934$XB2.5251566@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
> being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
> names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> thought to be attractive. Many thanks.

I'll give you the BEST name: LEILA WAGNER (drool). She was by far the best
looking and had a great personality. I met her once. She is also a former
Miss Washington (state). You can reach her at www.leilawagner.com. Leila now
sells real estate full time near Baltimore.

Edward DeGraaf,
USBC Certified Bronze Level Instructor.
Latest 300 Game - 09/30/2003.




 
Date: 10 Jul 2005 18:45:45
From: BigRedWingsFan
Subject: Re: Attractive women bowlers

"Steve Stephens" <wytuytw@iu43.com > wrote in message
news:zJhAe.17934$XB2.5251566@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Hello,
>
> I've been assigned to write a story about attractive women in sports. Not
> being a bowling expert, and understanding that there is no longer a
> professional women's league, I was wondering if any of you could run some
> names by me of women who have prospered in the sport that are widely
> thought to be attractive. Many thanks.

Paula Sperber (and I know that will date me some too) was one of the hottest
women bowlers of all time. She married male bowling legend Don Carter.
Here's a couple of pics:

http://www.doncarter.com/paulacarter/paulacarter.htm

>
>
>