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Date: 05 Jul 2005 18:07:27
From: Gator
Subject: 2 Ball Bags
I am trying to find a 2 ball roller bag for the Philadelphia 76er's for my
son for his birthday but with no luck. Is there anyone who knows where I
might search?

Thanks






 
Date: 11 Jul 2005 01:19:01
From: Blue Hound Technologies
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
eBay?

"Gator" <gator@ourworld.cc > wrote in message
news:z%zye.184437$IO.141485@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I am trying to find a 2 ball roller bag for the Philadelphia 76er's for my
> son for his birthday but with no luck. Is there anyone who knows where I
> might search?
>
> Thanks
>
>




 
Date: 06 Jul 2005 22:57:44
From: Jamie
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
I know they have NFL bags I have one.. The quality however is a little
shoddy(sp) the handles broke after half of a years use. I still love my bag
though, matches my spare ball.

Jamie
"Gator" <gator@ourworld.cc > wrote in message
news:z%zye.184437$IO.141485@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I am trying to find a 2 ball roller bag for the Philadelphia 76er's for my
> son for his birthday but with no luck. Is there anyone who knows where I
> might search?
>
> Thanks
>
>




 
Date: 05 Jul 2005 23:53:46
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
> You can buy team logos patches, would it be against the law to put the name
> of the team/city with the logo sewn on? I wouldn't think so, but I don't
> know the law either.

That would not violate the law, as you'd be using Licensed Material for
your own purposes. Therefore, get a couple of patches and sew one on
each side. Your kid will love it AND he'll have a Most Unique bowling
bag!

As an aside: if you can IRON the patches to the bag's sides BEFORE
sewing the edges down, they'll stay on a little better. Be aware that
the material used in bowling bags MAY NOT be "ironable". In that case,
maybe dabs of hot glue can be used to "pre-fix" the labels before
sewing. Again, the glue should bond the patch to the material, making
it more durable.

Good luck. :)



 
Date: 05 Jul 2005 18:49:18
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
>You might have to settle for a bag of the proper color and take
>it in to someone who sews lettering commercially.

VERY BAD IDEA!!! ever hear of COPYRIGHT LAWS? Sports teams/franchises
are very protective of their logos and such - so much so that, if Gator
follows your suggestion, he (she?) could wind up with a VERY EXPEN$IVE
"Copyright Infringement, etc." LAWSUIT!

The closest Philadelphia-related 2-ball rolling sports bag is here @
bowlersparadise.com:
http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/bags/kr/kr_nfl_double_roller_philadelphia_eagles.shtml.

Good luck. If you find a COMMERCIAL source of ** NBA-LICENSED **
bowling gear (or any other LICENSED sports association, for that
matter), please let us know....



  
Date: 06 Jul 2005 19:04:24
From: Spammy Sammy
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags

"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in message
news:1120614558.600416.175820@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > VERY BAD IDEA!!! ever hear of COPYRIGHT LAWS? Sports teams/franchises
> are very protective of their logos and such - so much so that, if Gator
> follows your suggestion, he (she?) could wind up with a VERY EXPEN$IVE
> "Copyright Infringement, etc." LAWSUIT!

It would only infringe copyright if the product were to be sold as a genuine
article.




   
Date: 06 Jul 2005 12:45:47
From: John O
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
> > > VERY BAD IDEA!!! ever hear of COPYRIGHT LAWS? Sports teams/franchises
> > are very protective of their logos and such - so much so that, if Gator
> > follows your suggestion, he (she?) could wind up with a VERY EXPEN$IVE
> > "Copyright Infringement, etc." LAWSUIT!
>
> It would only infringe copyright if the product were to be sold as a
genuine
> article.
>

Nope...that's incorrect. Copyright law if far more complex than "it's OK as
long as I don't plan to sell it" or somesuch. In this case, the embroiderer
would be violating the copyright by reproducing the logo, regardless the
final use of the bowling bag. However, if you or I want to draw the logo
onto our own bag, then we're getting to a place where it might be OK.

-John O




    
Date: 07 Jul 2005 23:06:34
From: Spammy Sammy
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags

"John O" <johno@!noSPAM!heathkit.com > wrote in message
news:%nQye.912$ER6.5@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> It would only infringe copyright if the product were to be sold as a
> genuine article.

> Nope...that's incorrect. Copyright law if far more complex than "it's OK
as
> long as I don't plan to sell it" or somesuch. In this case, the
embroiderer
> would be violating the copyright by reproducing the logo, regardless the
> final use of the bowling bag. However, if you or I want to draw the logo
> onto our own bag, then we're getting to a place where it might be OK.

I read the post as being one where a pre-sacnctioned logo would be
transferred to an article that itself was not sanctioned. Bit like sewing a
Jets patch onto a baseball jacket. The finished item would not itself be an
official item and therefore could not be sold as such, however if I as an
individual wanted to sew a sanctioned Jets patch onto my shop bought
baseball jacket then I could do so.

In this case, a patch sewn onto a bag would not bring the might of the
76'ers lawyers knocking at your door. Just don't sell it on ebay as it is
unless the patch is removed first.




     
Date: 07 Jul 2005 14:02:06
From: John O
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
> In this case, a patch sewn onto a bag would not bring the might of the
> 76'ers lawyers knocking at your door. Just don't sell it on ebay as it is
> unless the patch is removed first.
>

I agree. But I have to wonder, if you can buy a 76'ers patch....what is the
patch designed for? To attach to something else, of cours, and I don't
believe the patch comes with a license agreement detailing your rights. :-)

-John O




      
Date: 08 Jul 2005 00:03:00
From: Spammy Sammy
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags

"John O" <johno@!noSPAM!heathkit.com > wrote in message
news:yBaze.1772$0w2.125@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> > I agree. But I have to wonder, if you can buy a 76'ers patch....what is
the
> patch designed for? To attach to something else, of cours, and I don't
> believe the patch comes with a license agreement detailing your rights.
:-)

...in which case it can be sewn onto the bag without fear of reprisal.

Glad that's cleared that up :)

In any event you'd think the 76'ers would be pleased. It might give them a
decent result from a ball game :)




    
Date: 06 Jul 2005 10:27:07
From: Jeff Rife
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
John O (johno@!noSPAM!heathkit.com) wrote in alt.sport.bowling:
> However, if you or I want to draw the logo
> onto our own bag, then we're getting to a place where it might be OK.

Nope, that's not OK, either.

Disney threatened to sue day care centers that used home-drawn pictures of
Mickey, etc., on their walls:

http://www.snopes.com/disney/wdco/daycare.htm

The only difference here is that it's a business, but in Disney's case,
they do offer Disney-themed bowling gear, so they would probably be upset
if you drew your own Disney bag. I don't know about the NBA, though.

--
Jeff Rife


     
Date: 06 Jul 2005 17:54:53
From: JohnO
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
>> However, if you or I want to draw the logo
>> onto our own bag, then we're getting to a place where it might be OK.
>
> Nope, that's not OK, either.
>
> Disney threatened to sue day care centers that used home-drawn pictures of
> Mickey, etc., on their walls:
>
> http://www.snopes.com/disney/wdco/daycare.htm
>
> The only difference here is that it's a business, but in Disney's case,
> they do offer Disney-themed bowling gear, so they would probably be upset
> if you drew your own Disney bag. I don't know about the NBA, though.

Being a business, AND trying to avoid buying licensed artwork for their
walls, combine to make the daycare situation different enough.

The tricky part is intent. An embroiderer cannot do a licensed logo for pay,
period, without authorization. They can't do it for free, either. But if I
want to paint Mickey in my kids bedroom, I won't ever get busted (unless I
somehow become part of a reality TV show or something). This is also where
it *might* be legal, because there's no commercial activity, no product
changing hands, and I'm doing it myself on my own property. See:
http://www.benedict.com/info/Law/FairUse.aspx Drawing something yourself,
on your own stuff that is never intended to be sold, is squarely in the
middle of the gray area.

As for a bowling bag, I'd find a patch or shirt or some other authorized
item, and sew the logo onto the bag. It may not be 100% perfect or legal,
but your intent would be legitimate and defensible. Then you'd have to
violate the copyright of some seriously anal organization to have any real
issues. (USOC, Disney, Monster Cable, etc.)

-John O




  
Date: 06 Jul 2005 00:51:16
From: Darby
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
You can buy team logos patches, would it be against the law to put the name
of the team/city with the logo sewn on? I wouldn't think so, but I don't
know the law either.
Dar
"PromptJock" <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote
> >You might have to settle for a bag of the proper color and take
>>it in to someone who sews lettering commercially.
>
> VERY BAD IDEA!!! ever hear of COPYRIGHT LAWS? Sports teams/franchises
> are very protective of their logos and such - so much so that, if Gator
> follows your suggestion, he (she?) could wind up with a VERY EXPEN$IVE
> "Copyright Infringement, etc." LAWSUIT!
>
> The closest Philadelphia-related 2-ball rolling sports bag is here @
> bowlersparadise.com:
> http://www.bowlersparadise.com/shop/bags/kr/kr_nfl_double_roller_philadelphia_eagles.shtml.
>
> Good luck. If you find a COMMERCIAL source of ** NBA-LICENSED **
> bowling gear (or any other LICENSED sports association, for that
> matter), please let us know....
>




   
Date: 06 Jul 2005 12:40:44
From: John O
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
> > VERY BAD IDEA!!! ever hear of COPYRIGHT LAWS? Sports teams/franchises
> > are very protective of their logos and such - so much so that, if Gator
> > follows your suggestion, he (she?) could wind up with a VERY EXPEN$IVE
> > "Copyright Infringement, etc." LAWSUIT!
> >

It's a *very* long shot to get nailed for such a thing, because the
copyright holder has to do the enforcing, and a one-off job isn't going to
be worth anyone's time. FWIW, anybody who can do the embroidery knows the
laws, and wouldn't do a logo. A patch...sure, that's fine.

-John O




 
Date: 05 Jul 2005 13:55:08
From: Darby
Subject: Re: 2 Ball Bags
You might have to settle for a bag of the proper color and take it in to
someone who sews lettering commercially. Sometime ago I had my name put on a
bag at a place in a large mall. There are people who have home businesses
who do this also. Check the yellow pages or ask at the bowling center where
they get theirs done. Then you could get the name and emblem sewn on.
Dar

"Gator" <gator@ourworld.cc > wrote in message
news:z%zye.184437$IO.141485@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
>I am trying to find a 2 ball roller bag for the Philadelphia 76er's for my
> son for his birthday but with no luck. Is there anyone who knows where I
> might search?
>
> Thanks
>
>