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Date: 28 Nov 2007 11:41:06
From: sam isit
Subject: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
as a sport.
right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the offer:
http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
Questions is, How many balls do i need?
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Date: 09 Apr 2008 18:48:01
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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> Ha! I bowl the same way, but I blame myself and usually say I would have
> bowled better if I stayed home that night ;)
Been there, been there, and will probably be there again (and again,
and again)... :)
> I've still got 15 years to be a senior by my estimate.
Speak fer yerself, sonny! ;)
Think about these words of "wisdom":
1. To any bowler YOUNGER than you, you're a "'senior citizen' who
'knows nothing'".
2. To any bowler OLDER than you, you're an "impertinent, etc. 'young
whippersnapper'".
3. To your bowling "peers" (the SAME AGE as you), you're either
LAUGHED AT (if they bowl "better than you") or SCORNED (if you bowl
"better than them").
Keep it on the lanes... :)
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Date: 09 Apr 2008 18:38:08
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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> There's a guy on our league that's pretty outspoken about the lanes when
> he's not winning. I think someone should video tape one of his tantrums to
> improve his bowling :)
An interesting idea, but do you think he could stand the
"embarassment" of seeing himself throw one of his "tantrums"? ;)
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Date: 08 Apr 2008 22:02:18
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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> They throw one kind of monster hook, and when they're having an
> off night it's always the lanes causing them problems.- Hide quoted text -
That's true of a lot of SENIOR bowlers as well! while they can't
"monster bend" the ball, they generally stand in ONE PLACE for all
their shots, never really adjust to "oil migration, etc.", and rarely
ever try different hand positions (change the roll, etc.) and ALWAYS
"complain about the 'bad pattern, crummy lane-man, etc.'" All I can
do is sort of smile when they watch me (occasionally) string a few
together using, more or less, the same line they were using...
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Date: 09 Apr 2008 16:55:56
From: Eric
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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PromptJock <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in
news:ad630ca7-184f-4466-9ef8-3ddc193bd341@r9g2000prd.googlegroups.com:
>> They throw one kind of monster hook, and when they're having an
>> off night it's always the lanes causing them problems.- Hide quoted
>> text -
>
> That's true of a lot of SENIOR bowlers as well! while they can't
> "monster bend" the ball, they generally stand in ONE PLACE for all
> their shots, never really adjust to "oil migration, etc.", and rarely
> ever try different hand positions (change the roll, etc.) and ALWAYS
> "complain about the 'bad pattern, crummy lane-man, etc.'" All I can
> do is sort of smile when they watch me (occasionally) string a few
> together using, more or less, the same line they were using...
Ha! I bowl the same way, but I blame myself and usually say I would have
bowled better if I stayed home that night ;) I've still got 15 years to be
a senior by my estimate.
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Date: 08 Apr 2008 21:48:58
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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> Simple observation shows that the nature of the pin reaction is not
> random. Each bowler has their own characteristic pin reaction - just
> stand back and watch a few 'good league' lanes/bowlers for a while and
> it jumps out at you.
You couldn't've summed it up any better! :)
In fact, it would be worth the time/effort for EVERY BOWLER to try and
videotape themselves, and pay attention to the aforementioned "pin
reaction" when they get a good, solid strike. Then, "track back" the
tape while observing the ball's trajectory on the lane (i.e., amount
of arc, what board it crossed at various points on the lane, where it
was set down initially) then finish with THE RELEASE (hand/finger
position, wrist bend, etc.).
I think, as you stated, it'll "jump out at you". :)
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Date: 09 Apr 2008 16:56:31
From: Eric
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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PromptJock <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in news:2f7a97f5-6137-4144-
b22d-0ed4fe02c824@k1g2000prb.googlegroups.com:
>> Simple observation shows that the nature of the pin reaction is not
>> random. Each bowler has their own characteristic pin reaction - just
>> stand back and watch a few 'good league' lanes/bowlers for a while and
>> it jumps out at you.
>
> You couldn't've summed it up any better! :)
>
> In fact, it would be worth the time/effort for EVERY BOWLER to try and
> videotape themselves, and pay attention to the aforementioned "pin
> reaction" when they get a good, solid strike. Then, "track back" the
> tape while observing the ball's trajectory on the lane (i.e., amount
> of arc, what board it crossed at various points on the lane, where it
> was set down initially) then finish with THE RELEASE (hand/finger
> position, wrist bend, etc.).
>
> I think, as you stated, it'll "jump out at you". :)
There's a guy on our league that's pretty outspoken about the lanes when
he's not winning. I think someone should video tape one of his tantrums to
improve his bowling :)
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Date: 07 Apr 2008 19:33:19
From:
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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On Apr 7, 6:09=A0pm, 6ballman <6bal...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Ummm...point of order here. Most of the professional and high level
> amatuer bowlers have learned more than one shot and they cannot win if
> the stuff they have toted in the door that day doesn't match up. Just
> sayin'...
>
> Polarhound wrote:
> > PromptJock wrote:
> >>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
> >>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>
> >> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
> >> ball? ;]
>
> > This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead of
> > "learning" a shot.
>
> --
>
> "Controversy equalizes fools and wise men - and the fools know it."
> =A0- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
I'd like to know what kind of average the people with 5 or more balls
on a league night are packing? I know lots of folks who have 1 ball,
and alter their SHOT for different conditions, not their BALL. If
they're wet, you hook it less, if they're dry, crank it. The pro-shop
guy by me advised me AGAINST getting too many, cause each ball is
*slightly* different in grip and feel, so if you can have one ball and
be 100% comfortable with it, you throw the ball differently. I
average around 210 doing this, I can't see what I'd benefit much more
from more balls. Just wondering what the 'multiple ball' type people
are averaging. 190? 240? Just curious!
T
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Date: 08 Apr 2008 21:13:04
From: Eric
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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Twp1976@gmail.com wrote in
news:09f2327f-32c1-45d6-925b-7d030484fe26@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:
> On Apr 7, 6:09 pm, 6ballman <6bal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ummm...point of order here. Most of the professional and high level
>> amatuer bowlers have learned more than one shot and they cannot win
>> if the stuff they have toted in the door that day doesn't match up.
>> Just sayin'...
>>
>> Polarhound wrote:
>> > PromptJock wrote:
>> >>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9
>> >>> balls, judging by the bags all over the place.
>>
>> >> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
>> >> ball? ;]
>>
>> > This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead
>> > of "learning" a shot.
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Controversy equalizes fools and wise men - and the fools know it."
>> - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
>
> I'd like to know what kind of average the people with 5 or more balls
> on a league night are packing? I know lots of folks who have 1 ball,
> and alter their SHOT for different conditions, not their BALL. If
> they're wet, you hook it less, if they're dry, crank it. The pro-shop
> guy by me advised me AGAINST getting too many, cause each ball is
> *slightly* different in grip and feel, so if you can have one ball and
> be 100% comfortable with it, you throw the ball differently. I
> average around 210 doing this, I can't see what I'd benefit much more
> from more balls. Just wondering what the 'multiple ball' type people
> are averaging. 190? 240? Just curious!
We had a few new teams this year from another center that closed. Many of
them have the big rollers, and they are good bowlers. I'd have to look up
their averages. These are the teams that filled 3-4 seats in the pit with
all of their balls, but enough teams complained that this stopped.
Sadly, this isn't a money league and the prize difference per place isn't
huge. They're in for a disappointment.
The other kind of people with the big bags are the younger bowlers, where
I think it's really more for show. They're not bad bowlers, but I think
they're carrying every ball they've had since they were in 3rd grade just
for show. They throw one kind of monster hook, and when they're having an
off night it's always the lanes causing them problems.
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Date: 08 Apr 2008 08:06:02
From: John O
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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<Twp1976@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:09f2327f-32c1-45d6-925b-7d030484fe26@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 7, 6:09 pm, 6ballman <6bal...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Ummm...point of order here. Most of the professional and high level
> amatuer bowlers have learned more than one shot and they cannot win if
> the stuff they have toted in the door that day doesn't match up. Just
> sayin'...
>
> Polarhound wrote:
> > PromptJock wrote:
> >>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
> >>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>
> >> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
> >> ball? ;]
>
> > This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead of
> > "learning" a shot.
>
> --
>
> "Controversy equalizes fools and wise men - and the fools know it."
> - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
> I'd like to know what kind of average the people with 5 or more balls
> on a league night are packing?
Same here. If someone walks in to a league situation with six+ balls, they
better be averaging over 220. Because otherwise they got more money than
brains or ability. (tournaments in an unknown house excepted...)
-John O
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Date: 08 Apr 2008 04:22:48
From: Darby
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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In my home center I only use three-four different balls on a night when the
lanes are difficult to read or are changing a lot. Ray Charles conditions do
not require that much equipment or adjustments. I just have not had the good
fortune to run into them very often.
For years I've bowled in other centers where the conditions are not the
same as here. Last year I bowled leagues in three different towns and
carried 7 balls with me.
I had my right knee replaced last Spring and am replacing the left one
in two weeks, so I haven't been bowling well for several years. However,
when I was bowling well, I carried over 200 in all my leagues including
several scratch leagues, one travel league and here at home. I needed to
carry enough equipment to compete on the variety of lane conditions.
My coach is a former touring Pro, has won on TV and is a ball rep in
foreign counties, etc. He has an international newsletter on ball drilling &
lane conditions plus writes for BTM. He advises carrying at least six balls.
I do not know any competitive bowler who bowls in more than a few centers
who would consider bowling without a full equipment assortment.
Dar
<Twp1976@gmail.com > wrote
On Apr 7, 6:09 pm, 6ballman <6bal...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Ummm...point of order here. Most of the professional and high level
> amatuer bowlers have learned more than one shot and they cannot win if
> the stuff they have toted in the door that day doesn't match up. Just
> sayin'...
>
> Polarhound wrote:
> > PromptJock wrote:
> >>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
> >>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>
> >> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
> >> ball? ;]
>
> > This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead of
> > "learning" a shot.
>
> --
>
> "Controversy equalizes fools and wise men - and the fools know it."
> - Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
I'd like to know what kind of average the people with 5 or more balls
on a league night are packing? I know lots of folks who have 1 ball,
and alter their SHOT for different conditions, not their BALL. If
they're wet, you hook it less, if they're dry, crank it. The pro-shop
guy by me advised me AGAINST getting too many, cause each ball is
*slightly* different in grip and feel, so if you can have one ball and
be 100% comfortable with it, you throw the ball differently. I
average around 210 doing this, I can't see what I'd benefit much more
from more balls. Just wondering what the 'multiple ball' type people
are averaging. 190? 240? Just curious!
T
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Date: 11 Dec 2007 06:12:48
From: stan.foxhill@gmail.com
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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On Dec 10, 5:00 pm, sam isit <Sam.i...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 28, 3:40 pm, "Darby" <tenpinhawk...@mchsi.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Sam, I'd start out with one. Once you master the basics of the game you can
> > add balls for different conditions and a spare ball. Get a mellow resin and
> > it will be enough for a while. Spend the rest on lessons. At first you will
> > be learning an approach, a basic release, how to pick up spares etc. If you
> > are changing balls all of the time it will make it difficult to repeat the
> > same shot over and over.
> > You need different balls when you bowl in different bowling centers or
> > bowl in the same center which has different lane conditions. When I bowl out
> > of our center I take 7 balls with me. One is a plastic spare ball. Then I
> > have six balls with different combinations of surface and layout to get
> > different ball reaction..go long, hook hard..hook early...soft break, etc.
> > When you find out what lane condition you are bowling on you'll have the
> > ball that works on that condition, or close enough for you to adjust and
> > make a decent shot.
> > Dar
> > PS, I rent a closet at our bowling center where I keep 15 balls. Many are
> > older balls, but sometimes you need an oldie but goodie.
> > "sam isit" <
>
> > > How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
> > > as a sport.
>
> > > right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
> > > cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the offer:
> > >http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>
> > > Questions is, How many balls do i need?
>
> Hi
>
> Wow 15 balls, I was not planning on spending that much, just wanted to
> get started. I think there is agreement, i need to get a few including
> a spare, so I will do that. My buddy at the bowling alley tells me to
> wait till Feb, because all the new balls arrive then, I dont know if I
> need a brand new one, i am happy with last years model, unless of
> course they have a special. BTW, i went to bowlingball.com to get that
> special with eBillme and did not find it, whats up with that
Dont know, I used eBillme last week and it worked out great.
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Date: 10 Dec 2007 14:00:39
From: sam isit
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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On 28, 3:40 pm, "Darby" <tenpinhawk...@mchsi.com > wrote:
> Sam, I'd start out with one. Once you master the basics of the game you can
> add balls for different conditions and a spare ball. Get a mellow resin and
> it will be enough for a while. Spend the rest on lessons. At first you will
> be learning an approach, a basic release, how to pick up spares etc. If you
> are changing balls all of the time it will make it difficult to repeat the
> same shot over and over.
> You need different balls when you bowl in different bowling centers or
> bowl in the same center which has different lane conditions. When I bowl out
> of our center I take 7 balls with me. One is a plastic spare ball. Then I
> have six balls with different combinations of surface and layout to get
> different ball reaction..go long, hook hard..hook early...soft break, etc.
> When you find out what lane condition you are bowling on you'll have the
> ball that works on that condition, or close enough for you to adjust and
> make a decent shot.
> Dar
> PS, I rent a closet at our bowling center where I keep 15 balls. Many are
> older balls, but sometimes you need an oldie but goodie.
> "sam isit" <
>
> > How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
> > as a sport.
>
> > right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
> > cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the offer:
> >http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>
> > Questions is, How many balls do i need?
Hi
Wow 15 balls, I was not planning on spending that much, just wanted to
get started. I think there is agreement, i need to get a few including
a spare, so I will do that. My buddy at the bowling alley tells me to
wait till Feb, because all the new balls arrive then, I dont know if I
need a brand new one, i am happy with last years model, unless of
course they have a special. BTW, i went to bowlingball.com to get that
special with eBillme and did not find it, whats up with that
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Date: 02 Dec 2007 13:55:37
From: Dan the Man
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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On 28, 2:41 pm, sam isit <Sam.i...@gmail.com > wrote:
> How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
> as a sport.
>
> right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
> cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the offer:http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>
> Questions is, How many balls do i need?
I agree with the other posters who say it is rude to use seating for
all of the extra balls.
For my part, I am using a 5-ball Brunswick Joey bag because I bowl in
two different houses on Thursday and Friday, and their lanes are
rather different, even within the same house. I never know what
condition they will throw at me next. Of course, one of those balls is
a plastic spare ball.
Dan
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Date: 03 Dec 2007 11:33:12
From: Mark D.
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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"Dan the Man" <dan708@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:ab70891a-124e-4e6d-b62e-feda0a51cbbd@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On 28, 2:41 pm, sam isit <Sam.i...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
>> as a sport.
>>
>> right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
>> cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the
>> offer:http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>>
>> Questions is, How many balls do i need?
>
> I agree with the other posters who say it is rude to use seating for
> all of the extra balls.
> For my part, I am using a 5-ball Brunswick Joey bag because I bowl in
> two different houses on Thursday and Friday, and their lanes are
> rather different, even within the same house. I never know what
> condition they will throw at me next. Of course, one of those balls is
> a plastic spare ball.
>
> Dan
I always use my inline 4-ball Hammer bag. I carry a Maxim for corners,
Blade my main first out of bag ball, Granite Gargoyle for floods, and my
trusty Spirit for dry/fried conditions. That's what I take to every house
or
tourney. Seems to cover about all I've ever run accross...
Mark D.
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Date: 03 Dec 2007 11:34:13
From: Mark D.
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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"Dan the Man" <dan708@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:ab70891a-124e-4e6d-b62e-feda0a51cbbd@b40g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On 28, 2:41 pm, sam isit <Sam.i...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
>> as a sport.
>>
>> right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
>> cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the
>> offer:http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>>
>> Questions is, How many balls do i need?
>
> I agree with the other posters who say it is rude to use seating for
> all of the extra balls.
> For my part, I am using a 5-ball Brunswick Joey bag because I bowl in
> two different houses on Thursday and Friday, and their lanes are
> rather different, even within the same house. I never know what
> condition they will throw at me next. Of course, one of those balls is
> a plastic spare ball.
>
> Dan
I always use my inline 4-ball Hammer bag. I carry a Maxim for corners,
Blade my main first out of bag ball, Granite Gargoyle for floods, and my
trusty Spirit for dry/fried conditions. That's what I take to every house
or
tourney. Seems to cover about all I've ever run accross...
Mark D.
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Date: 02 Dec 2007 05:22:17
From:
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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On Dec 2, 3:32 am, PromptJock <102151.3...@compuserve.com > wrote:
> > I think it's a case of "look what I've got".
>
> Methinx you're right. As far as I'm concerned, if you only bowl in
> one or two houses, you only "need" at most THREE (3) balls.
I agree with three but suggest you tailor your selections to what the
local THS is. For example, I often go to my Wednesday company league
with plastic, a weak ball and a weaker ball because the oil volume is
low and the shot breaks down with folks spraying old white dots and
urethanes all over the place.
BTW, there are some very nice three ball roller bags that are meant
for airplane travel. These take up a lot less space than some of the
monster rollers that people seem to favor. I still use two ball slings
for everything as they take up little room in the paddock / settee
area but I'm getting too old to carry all this stuff and will probably
go to the thin line rollers this year.
> Those that need to use Available Seating during League for their gear
> "storage" are very rude and lack manners/sportsmanship.
Indeed - that behavior drives me nuts as it's a statement about lack
of manners in society. Not to mention anyone that has more than one
ball on the return at any one time in leagues with 4 or 5 man teams.
Hard to believe we're closing in on the end of 2007 already. Haven't
bowled enough this year and we're running out of year :-)
Mark
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Date: 02 Dec 2007 00:32:02
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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> I think it's a case of "look what I've got".
Methinx you're right. As far as I'm concerned, if you only bowl in
one or two houses, you only "need" at most THREE (3) balls: a plastic
for spares, a "strong-drilled" reactive for "oily" lanes and a "weak-
drilled" reactive for "dryer" lanes or to handle carrydown.
Those that need to use Available Seating during League for their gear
"storage" are very rude and lack manners/sportsmanship.
BTW: my "8 ball" line was meant to be a joke... :)
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Date: 02 Dec 2007 22:19:46
From: Darby
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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That is very true, some people who carry a lot of equipment are wannnabes.
But I and quite a few friends have bowled in leagues in two or three centers
a week plus travel leagues and tournaments once or twice a month. I also
subbed in several centers.
Until my knees quit me I was bowling 6 -7 times a week. For a few
seasons I bowled twice on Tuesday and often subbed early shift Tuesday
night. That was 10 games a day, it probably didn't help the knees very much,
huh?
So I will stick with my six ball roller and tote bag when I bowl out of
the house. I know what each ball will do and when to use it. And then
sometimes something works that surprises the heck out of you. :)
Dar
"PromptJock" <
>> I think it's a case of "look what I've got".
>
> Methinx you're right. As far as I'm concerned, if you only bowl in
> one or two houses, you only "need" at most THREE (3) balls: a plastic
> for spares, a "strong-drilled" reactive for "oily" lanes and a "weak-
> drilled" reactive for "dryer" lanes or to handle carrydown.
>
> Those that need to use Available Seating during League for their gear
> "storage" are very rude and lack manners/sportsmanship.
>
> BTW: my "8 ball" line was meant to be a joke... :)
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Date: 02 Dec 2007 16:42:35
From: Jim Doran
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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Dang, Darb, you're giving people the feeling there isn't a
thing to do in Iowa.
JimD
"Darby" <tenpinhawkeye@mchsi.com > wrote in message
news:6cG4j.228201$Fc.79060@attbi_s21...
> That is very true, some people who carry a lot of equipment are wannnabes.
> But I and quite a few friends have bowled in leagues in two or three
centers
> a week plus travel leagues and tournaments once or twice a month. I also
> subbed in several centers.
> Until my knees quit me I was bowling 6 -7 times a week. For a few
> seasons I bowled twice on Tuesday and often subbed early shift Tuesday
> night. That was 10 games a day, it probably didn't help the knees very
much,
> huh?
> So I will stick with my six ball roller and tote bag when I bowl out
of
> the house. I know what each ball will do and when to use it. And then
> sometimes something works that surprises the heck out of you. :)
> Dar
>
> "PromptJock" <
> >> I think it's a case of "look what I've got".
> >
> > Methinx you're right. As far as I'm concerned, if you only bowl in
> > one or two houses, you only "need" at most THREE (3) balls: a plastic
> > for spares, a "strong-drilled" reactive for "oily" lanes and a "weak-
> > drilled" reactive for "dryer" lanes or to handle carrydown.
> >
> > Those that need to use Available Seating during League for their gear
> > "storage" are very rude and lack manners/sportsmanship.
> >
> > BTW: my "8 ball" line was meant to be a joke... :)
>
>
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Date: 29 Nov 2007 19:46:45
From: PromptJock
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
> judging by the bags all over the place.
Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
ball? ;]
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Date: 06 Apr 2008 12:08:03
From: Polarhound
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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PromptJock wrote:
>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>
> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
> ball? ;]
This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead of
"learning" a shot.
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Date: 07 Apr 2008 18:09:21
From: 6ballman
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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Ummm...point of order here. Most of the professional and high level
amatuer bowlers have learned more than one shot and they cannot win if
the stuff they have toted in the door that day doesn't match up. Just
sayin'...
Polarhound wrote:
> PromptJock wrote:
>>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
>>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>>
>> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
>> ball? ;]
>
> This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead of
> "learning" a shot.
--
"Controversy equalizes fools and wise men - and the fools know it."
- Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
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Date: 08 Apr 2008 08:24:30
From: newsreader
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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6ballman wrote:
> Ummm...point of order here. Most of the professional and high level
> amatuer bowlers have learned more than one shot and they cannot win if
> the stuff they have toted in the door that day doesn't match up. Just
> sayin'...
>
> Polarhound wrote:
>> PromptJock wrote:
>>>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
>>>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>>>
>>> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
>>> ball? ;]
>>
>> This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead of
>> "learning" a shot.
>
FWIW I think this is partly a horses for courses thing. At the top level
matching up equipment is important especially if it is a condition that
normally defeats 'your game'.
But at all the higher skill levels it should be expected that bowlers
can make adjustments. It is perfectly possible to get a LOT of different
behaviours from the same ball by combining a mere handful of technique
changes. for a skilled bowler who can do this one should add the
behaviours/reactions to the ball count. Perfectly possible to get twenty
odd different reactions from the same ball by combining technique changes.
But how many players actually have B and C shots to go with their A shot
? Or know the techniques involved ? Ball manufacturers would always
prefer that you bought lots of kit. Technique ability will save costs,
luggage space and score better IMV.
But do the math - a 'standard' 4 ball set. Even excusing a 'ball of
glass' spare ball that still gives 60 odd shots from the other three
balls. A set of 9 balls gives a conservative 160 odd shots. That seems
too many to me.
Add to that the observation that many players do not really play the
(changing) oil pattern that well. (why do we say 'play the oil' when its
really the friction pattern that is played ? that has bugged me for a
long time !)
As a footnote I defer to Mr Kouros (and who wouldn't), the biggest
factor in pin action is 'the nature of the ball roll'.
Thus to my mind it doesn't matter how many you have in the bag if your
roll has poor carrying characteristics.
Simple observation shows that the nature of the pin reaction is not
random. Each bowler has their own characteristic pin reaction - just
stand back and watch a few 'good league' lanes/bowlers for a while and
it jumps out at you.
my 2 cents.
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Date: 07 Apr 2008 18:52:39
From: Eric
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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Polarhound <n05pam@n0tachance1nhell.com > wrote in
news:Y8CdnfxpVp5CaGXanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com:
> PromptJock wrote:
>>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
>>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>>
>> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
>> ball? ;]
>
> This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead of
> "learning" a shot.
>
Apparently it's catching on. I'd say almost half the league has either a 6
or 9 ball roller. They had to enact a rule dictating where to store all
these bags so people could move around, and the waitress didn't trip.
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Date: 07 Apr 2008 22:37:25
From: Polarhound
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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Eric wrote:
> Polarhound <n05pam@n0tachance1nhell.com> wrote in
> news:Y8CdnfxpVp5CaGXanZ2dnUVZ_uidnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>> PromptJock wrote:
>>>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
>>>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>>> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
>>> ball? ;]
>> This is what happens when the mentality is to "buy" a shot instead of
>> "learning" a shot.
>>
>
> Apparently it's catching on. I'd say almost half the league has either a 6
> or 9 ball roller. They had to enact a rule dictating where to store all
> these bags so people could move around, and the waitress didn't trip.
9 ball rollers .. I think the biggest entertainment of the evening would
be watching them get them in and out of their vehicles without throwing
out their back!
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Date: 01 Dec 2007 18:50:14
From: Eric
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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PromptJock <102151.3223@compuserve.com > wrote in news:bac8da08-4705-41aa-
8010-1104c286a045@a35g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>> On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
>> judging by the bags all over the place.
>
> Maybe they "need" that many because they're generally behind the 8
> ball? ;]
I think it's a case of "look what I've got". In the past 2 years, the whole
area between the pits and the counter have been filling up with 3, 6, and 9
ball carriers, mostly 6 and 9. The league finally had to issue a decree
that the bags had to be stored in certain areas so people could get around.
Again, this is a handicap league.
OTOH, we have a new team on our league that has to fill 3-4 chairs in the
pit with their extra balls, leaving little room for anyone to sit. I can't
imagine why anyone would need all that artillery.
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Date: 29 Nov 2007 19:54:56
From: Eric
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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sam isit <Sam.isit@gmail.com > wrote in news:7dba134a-16dd-4eb2-8169-
127679093cdb@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
> How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
> as a sport.
>
> right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
> cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the offer:
> http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>
> Questions is, How many balls do i need?
On the handicap league I bowl on, the trend is towards 6 and 9 balls,
judging by the bags all over the place.
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Date: 28 Nov 2007 20:40:48
From: Darby
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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Sam, I'd start out with one. Once you master the basics of the game you can
add balls for different conditions and a spare ball. Get a mellow resin and
it will be enough for a while. Spend the rest on lessons. At first you will
be learning an approach, a basic release, how to pick up spares etc. If you
are changing balls all of the time it will make it difficult to repeat the
same shot over and over.
You need different balls when you bowl in different bowling centers or
bowl in the same center which has different lane conditions. When I bowl out
of our center I take 7 balls with me. One is a plastic spare ball. Then I
have six balls with different combinations of surface and layout to get
different ball reaction..go long, hook hard..hook early...soft break, etc.
When you find out what lane condition you are bowling on you'll have the
ball that works on that condition, or close enough for you to adjust and
make a decent shot.
Dar
PS, I rent a closet at our bowling center where I keep 15 balls. Many are
older balls, but sometimes you need an oldie but goodie.
"sam isit" <
> How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
> as a sport.
>
> right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
> cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the offer:
> http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>
> Questions is, How many balls do i need?
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Date: 10 Dec 2007 17:58:13
From: 6ballman
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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I have 8 right now, a ridiculous number for someone whose ability level
had slid as much as mine has. Although 2 of those have been
decommissioned and I usually tote no more than 4 to a league session...
Darby wrote:
> Sam, I'd start out with one. Once you master the basics of the game you can
> add balls for different conditions and a spare ball. Get a mellow resin and
> it will be enough for a while. Spend the rest on lessons. At first you will
> be learning an approach, a basic release, how to pick up spares etc. If you
> are changing balls all of the time it will make it difficult to repeat the
> same shot over and over.
> You need different balls when you bowl in different bowling centers or
> bowl in the same center which has different lane conditions. When I bowl out
> of our center I take 7 balls with me. One is a plastic spare ball. Then I
> have six balls with different combinations of surface and layout to get
> different ball reaction..go long, hook hard..hook early...soft break, etc.
> When you find out what lane condition you are bowling on you'll have the
> ball that works on that condition, or close enough for you to adjust and
> make a decent shot.
> Dar
> PS, I rent a closet at our bowling center where I keep 15 balls. Many are
> older balls, but sometimes you need an oldie but goodie.
> "sam isit" <
>
>> How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
>> as a sport.
>>
>> right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
>> cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the offer:
>> http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>>
>> Questions is, How many balls do i need?
>>
>
>
>
--
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."
-George Orwell
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Date: 28 Nov 2007 19:51:38
From: newsreader
Subject: Re: 1, 2, 3, or 4, or more?
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to start with one or two, an average 'reader ball' for the lanes you
usually play on and a spare ball.
later on when you know how to use them a set of 4 is enough. plenty of
posts here about this, some by me.
sam isit wrote:
> How many bowling balls does one need to own if you want to pick it up
> as a sport.
>
> right now on bowlingball.com you can get $15 off if you by and pay
> cash with ebillme. Here is the link to the offer:
> http://www.ebillme.com/index.php/promos/bowlingballcom
>
> Questions is, How many balls do i need?
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